Placename BylaZora Evidence of Slav Presence in 200 BC?
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Placename BylaZora Evidence of Slav Presence in 200 BC?
KOPRULU, or KTJPRILI (Bulgarian Valesa, Greek Velissa), a town of Macedonia, European Turkey, in the vilayet of Salonica, KORAKORANsituated 600 ft. above sea-level, on the river Vardar, and on the : Salonica-Mitrovitza railway, 25 m. S.E. of Uskub. Pop. (1905), about 22,000. Kopriilu has a nourishing trade in silk; maize and mulberries are cultivated in the neighborhood. The Greek and Bulgarian names of the town may be corrupt forms of the ancient Bylazora, described by Polybius as the chief city of Paeonia.
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Re: Placename BylaZora Evidence of Slav Presence in 200 BC?
for sure. they were even in Athens too?
Re: Placename BylaZora Evidence of Slav Presence in 200 BC?
Could you please give us some more ancient toponyms in the region around Bylazora so that it is easier for us to localize?P.e. Vardar river was always called Axios
Salonica was and is always called THESSALONIKI as the sister of ATG...
Salonica was and is always called THESSALONIKI as the sister of ATG...
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Re: Placename BylaZora Evidence of Slav Presence in 200 BC?
note: see my "re" thread above too
Today's VELES A Continuation Of BYLAZORA And A Confirmation On The Name
veneti inscription in italia. here we see the EXACT same pattern (b)(v)eles in Slovenian, ancient veneti and modern and ancient Macedonianthis means that the name "Bylazora" continues from at least 200 bc, to 1707 ad, til today - that's at least two thousand two-hundred years (2200 years). This makes it one of the oldest towns in europe, no? bitola too, no?
by Dr. Jo++ko +áavli
The above-reproduced Venetic inscription (Pa 25) originated in Padova, and reading from right-to-left it spells TIVALEIBELLENEI. Scholars interpreted it as a funeral inscription. But they could not decipher it with accuracy. The well-known Venetologist, A. L. Prosdocimi from Venetia (Italy), explains it in an unconvincing way as -+il nome di uno straniero-½, i.e., the name of a stranger (cf.I Veneti antichi, Padova 1988, p. 291). On the other hand, the Slovenian Venetologist, Matej Bor, explains the inscription with help of the Slovenian language as: Ti valej be llenej, spelling: Ti - you, valej (pron valey), today: veljak - a man of mark, be (aorist) - was, llenej (pron. lyney) - gentel. Thus: You, a man of mark, were gentle.
However, I think that Matej Bor was wrong in this case. It is true, on hand of the Slovenian language (and other Slav words), descendants of the ancient Venetic language, numerous Venetic inscriptions can be explained. But in the above inscription the word Bellenei, which remembers god Belin (Belen), has been clearly pointed out. In my opinion, this way of spelling would explain its meaning: TI VALLEJ BELLENEJ (pron. ti valey belleney). Anyway, the meaning of these words in Slovenian language, and especially because they talk about a funeral inscription, should be interpreted as follows: ti (you), valej (today: veljaj, imperative of to be worth, destined), Bellenej (dative: to Belene, i.e., to Belin). Thus, one wished for the defunct: You, belong to Belen. - Still today, the Slovenian dialect of the Vipava Valley has the ending - ej (-ei) for the dative singular case, in particular for the declination of feminine and neutrum nouns. Further on, I think, in the above inscription -+god-½ was rather visualized in a more vast imagination, i.e., as a deity (bo++anstvo, in today's Slovenian). And again, if the name of god Veles (Eastern Slav pantheon) shows a reflexive betatism (b > v), then the probability exists, that this god has
Today's VELES A Continuation Of BYLAZORA And A Confirmation On The Name
veneti inscription in italia. here we see the EXACT same pattern (b)(v)eles in Slovenian, ancient veneti and modern and ancient Macedonianthis means that the name "Bylazora" continues from at least 200 bc, to 1707 ad, til today - that's at least two thousand two-hundred years (2200 years). This makes it one of the oldest towns in europe, no? bitola too, no?
by Dr. Jo++ko +áavli
The above-reproduced Venetic inscription (Pa 25) originated in Padova, and reading from right-to-left it spells TIVALEIBELLENEI. Scholars interpreted it as a funeral inscription. But they could not decipher it with accuracy. The well-known Venetologist, A. L. Prosdocimi from Venetia (Italy), explains it in an unconvincing way as -+il nome di uno straniero-½, i.e., the name of a stranger (cf.I Veneti antichi, Padova 1988, p. 291). On the other hand, the Slovenian Venetologist, Matej Bor, explains the inscription with help of the Slovenian language as: Ti valej be llenej, spelling: Ti - you, valej (pron valey), today: veljak - a man of mark, be (aorist) - was, llenej (pron. lyney) - gentel. Thus: You, a man of mark, were gentle.
However, I think that Matej Bor was wrong in this case. It is true, on hand of the Slovenian language (and other Slav words), descendants of the ancient Venetic language, numerous Venetic inscriptions can be explained. But in the above inscription the word Bellenei, which remembers god Belin (Belen), has been clearly pointed out. In my opinion, this way of spelling would explain its meaning: TI VALLEJ BELLENEJ (pron. ti valey belleney). Anyway, the meaning of these words in Slovenian language, and especially because they talk about a funeral inscription, should be interpreted as follows: ti (you), valej (today: veljaj, imperative of to be worth, destined), Bellenej (dative: to Belene, i.e., to Belin). Thus, one wished for the defunct: You, belong to Belen. - Still today, the Slovenian dialect of the Vipava Valley has the ending - ej (-ei) for the dative singular case, in particular for the declination of feminine and neutrum nouns. Further on, I think, in the above inscription -+god-½ was rather visualized in a more vast imagination, i.e., as a deity (bo++anstvo, in today's Slovenian). And again, if the name of god Veles (Eastern Slav pantheon) shows a reflexive betatism (b > v), then the probability exists, that this god has
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Re: Placename BylaZora Evidence of Slav Presence in 200 BC?
Further on, I think, in the above inscription -+god-½ was rather visualized in a more vast imagination, i.e., as a deity (bo++anstvo, in today's Slovenian). And again, if the name of god Veles (Eastern Slav pantheon) shows a reflexive betatism (b > v), then the probability exists, that this god has to be identified with Belen, Belin (Veles - Beles, or Belec -+white-½)? - - - note: see veles/bylazora in Macedonia v), then the probability exists, that this god has to be identified with Belen, Belin (Veles - Beles, or Belec -+white-½)? - - - note: see veles/bylazora in Macedonia v), then the probability exists, that this god has to be identified with Belen, Belin (Veles - Beles, or Belec -+white-½)? - - - note: see veles/bylazora in Macedonia(cf. article: God Belin and Echo, letter dated August 7, 2004 "In consideration of..."http://www.niagara.com/~jezovnik/forum_ ... ----------
bylazora/veles Macedonia
PAEONIA - LoveToKnow Encyclopedia Entry on PAEONIA
... Strymon. The chief town and seat of the kings was Bylazora (Veles, Kuprolu
on the Axius); in the Roman period, Stobi (PustoGradsko). ...
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bylazora/veles Macedonia
PAEONIA - LoveToKnow Encyclopedia Entry on PAEONIA
... Strymon. The chief town and seat of the kings was Bylazora (Veles, Kuprolu
on the Axius); in the Roman period, Stobi (PustoGradsko). ...
94.1911encyclopedia.org/P/PA/PAEONIA.htm - 8k - 28 Sep 2004 - Cached - Similar pages
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Re: Placename BylaZora Evidence of Slav Presence in 200 BC?
STATUE OF LIBERTY A MACEDONIC SYMBOL
(look at all the other matches, but look too to the position of the left arm. it is similar in all 3 images and is holding something in 2 of them. that's another, subtle, match between liberty and the Macedonic belin).
(Statue of Liberty: copy of Macedonic Bellin):Lady Liberty (with sun-burst crown and raised flame) pointing to Zora
http://www.semaphoreinc.com/esources/im ... y.gifBelin with sun-burst crown pointing to Zora (dawn, ie the sun)Belinzora
bylazora
http://www.niagara.com/~jezovnik/81ea83a0.jpg
The statuette of Belin, found in Kobarid, upper Isonzo (Soca) Valley, 3rd century BC. With his raised hand he is showing the path to the sunVotive inscription of "Belino Sancto" from Aquileia, where the god was the divine protector of the town (3rd century AD). It must be considered, in distinction to the prior inscriptions with "Belino Avgustus", already an homage to the Christianized Belin's shape. After Christianization, it became a Sol salutis (Helios), an allusion of a victorious Christ, which this inscription very probably reflects.
http://www.niagara.com/~jezovnik/828173b0.jpg
Norican stelae of Roman period. It depicts the scenes from the fable of Fetonte (Kresnik), Belin's son. On the right we see two increased scenes, in which Cygnus, Fetonte's friend, is trying to dissuade him from the faithful action to take the sunny carriage.
http://www.niagara.com/~jezovnik/8243a3a0.jpg
http://www.virtourist.com/america/new-y ... ork-01.jpg
(look at all the other matches, but look too to the position of the left arm. it is similar in all 3 images and is holding something in 2 of them. that's another, subtle, match between liberty and the Macedonic belin).
(Statue of Liberty: copy of Macedonic Bellin):Lady Liberty (with sun-burst crown and raised flame) pointing to Zora
http://www.semaphoreinc.com/esources/im ... y.gifBelin with sun-burst crown pointing to Zora (dawn, ie the sun)Belinzora
bylazora
http://www.niagara.com/~jezovnik/81ea83a0.jpg
The statuette of Belin, found in Kobarid, upper Isonzo (Soca) Valley, 3rd century BC. With his raised hand he is showing the path to the sunVotive inscription of "Belino Sancto" from Aquileia, where the god was the divine protector of the town (3rd century AD). It must be considered, in distinction to the prior inscriptions with "Belino Avgustus", already an homage to the Christianized Belin's shape. After Christianization, it became a Sol salutis (Helios), an allusion of a victorious Christ, which this inscription very probably reflects.
http://www.niagara.com/~jezovnik/828173b0.jpg
Norican stelae of Roman period. It depicts the scenes from the fable of Fetonte (Kresnik), Belin's son. On the right we see two increased scenes, in which Cygnus, Fetonte's friend, is trying to dissuade him from the faithful action to take the sunny carriage.
http://www.niagara.com/~jezovnik/8243a3a0.jpg
http://www.virtourist.com/america/new-y ... ork-01.jpg
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ORIGINS OF BYLAZORA IDENTIFIED
ORIGINS OF BYLAZORA IDENTIFIEDvenetic myth based on Belin
the sun - helios - (BYLA, poetic: the sun)
the dawn - eos - (ZORA)
BYLAZORA
bylazora, if based on a myth, will be found here because its name is a virtual translation of the greek "helios eos"Fetonte Fetonte Son of Helium (the sun) and Eos , (the dawn), or, according to an other tradition, of Climene . In this version of the myth it had grown without to know the identity of the father, finch+¿ then, as a result of the insistence near the Climene mother, was revealed to it. In order to assess of churches of being able to guide for a day the horses of the cocchio of the sun, than, after much hesitation and recommendations, he consented. Fetonte but began to guide the wagon of the sun outside from the way indicatagli from the father and pushed the horses towards the high, but when it arrived in the higher regions of the sky it was scared from the animals that constitute the zodiacali signs, cosicch+¿ skidding burnt a piece of the sky (than door the sign of this accident the Milky Way), then lowered itself too much on the earth, risking to hang them fire. The stars began to complain themselves with Zeus that, fearing the destruction of the universe, fulmin+¦ it and it made it to fall on the earth. She fell in the Eridano river and its Eliadi sisters cried it, until to being transformed in poplars-----------------------------------------------------------------------------amber and ambrosia from achilles
In Greek scriptures a story about Fetonte has been preserved, obviously Venetic, even though he is presented as the son of Zeus. Zeus has thrown him into an amber river because in his sunny yoke (sun's carriage??), he came too close to the earth and could have burned it. The sisters buried him and mourned him, and their tears turned into the River Jantar. The River Eridan is presumed to be the present River Po, yet it is more likely that it was the River Isonzo (Soca, Slovenia) because the path of River Jantar finishes at its mouth there, near Aquileia
the sun - helios - (BYLA, poetic: the sun)
the dawn - eos - (ZORA)
BYLAZORA
bylazora, if based on a myth, will be found here because its name is a virtual translation of the greek "helios eos"Fetonte Fetonte Son of Helium (the sun) and Eos , (the dawn), or, according to an other tradition, of Climene . In this version of the myth it had grown without to know the identity of the father, finch+¿ then, as a result of the insistence near the Climene mother, was revealed to it. In order to assess of churches of being able to guide for a day the horses of the cocchio of the sun, than, after much hesitation and recommendations, he consented. Fetonte but began to guide the wagon of the sun outside from the way indicatagli from the father and pushed the horses towards the high, but when it arrived in the higher regions of the sky it was scared from the animals that constitute the zodiacali signs, cosicch+¿ skidding burnt a piece of the sky (than door the sign of this accident the Milky Way), then lowered itself too much on the earth, risking to hang them fire. The stars began to complain themselves with Zeus that, fearing the destruction of the universe, fulmin+¦ it and it made it to fall on the earth. She fell in the Eridano river and its Eliadi sisters cried it, until to being transformed in poplars-----------------------------------------------------------------------------amber and ambrosia from achilles
In Greek scriptures a story about Fetonte has been preserved, obviously Venetic, even though he is presented as the son of Zeus. Zeus has thrown him into an amber river because in his sunny yoke (sun's carriage??), he came too close to the earth and could have burned it. The sisters buried him and mourned him, and their tears turned into the River Jantar. The River Eridan is presumed to be the present River Po, yet it is more likely that it was the River Isonzo (Soca, Slovenia) because the path of River Jantar finishes at its mouth there, near Aquileia
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THE BELIN MYTHOLOGY
BELIN MYTH
AMBER. SEE ABOVE POST - drew the chariot 'round the sun; fetone (phaeton) - see also jpegs in other post - chariot
THE BELIN MYTHOLOGY
One of my favourite forms of (Baltic) amber is the natural "drop". I love to think of the day, way back when, the piece parted from the tree, that it retains the shape is quite special for me. The luster, patina and the quality of the skin is also quite special in my view. It is something of a mystery as to how these pieces avoided being homoginised - particularly as Baltic amber deposits are likely to have been geologically reworked several times before ending up under the beach at Yantarniy. Amber drops account for a tiny amount of amber ever mined. They are in fact the overdose of resins that broke away from the streams, which flowed as amber icicles. They come in many shapes and sizes and their structure is usually deformed - ie not perfect tear drops. Drops flattened off by falling are more frequently found. Regular shape drops like this one are extremely rare. The happy combination of being formed when resins flowed from slits of wood felling immediately into flowing water. An alternative explanation Popular oral history refers to the tragic story of Phaeton (son of Apollo), who nagged his father to drive the chariot which daily drew the sun around the world........."At that time, Jupiter, who heard the frightened cries of the people, struck Fetonte with his lightening and let him precipitate into the river Eridanus. Fetonte's sisters Egle, Lamecia, and Featus buried their brother's corpse and mourned. After four months the deities had pity, they transformed them into poplars and the tears of their inconsolable crying into amber drops. " This is really the general myth to explain amber, but it works particularly well for amber drops. Tim Fahy 3119
This product was added to our catalog on Sunday 11 January, 2004.Mythological images of Slavic gods 3.
In the East Slav mythology 'the heroic beginning' is not so expressed. The annals speak about Svarog's son - Dazhbog - Tsar (king) -sun. "The fragment about Svarog, the father of the sun, is connected to an insert about Sovius in John Malala's "Chronicle". These both texts, probably, reflect the common cultural tradition connected to tradition of cremation. There are in Baltic Slav culture Svarozich (differently named Radegast, Radigast, Redigost, Riedigost) it was venerated in the cult centre Retra as one of the main
AMBER. SEE ABOVE POST - drew the chariot 'round the sun; fetone (phaeton) - see also jpegs in other post - chariot
THE BELIN MYTHOLOGY
One of my favourite forms of (Baltic) amber is the natural "drop". I love to think of the day, way back when, the piece parted from the tree, that it retains the shape is quite special for me. The luster, patina and the quality of the skin is also quite special in my view. It is something of a mystery as to how these pieces avoided being homoginised - particularly as Baltic amber deposits are likely to have been geologically reworked several times before ending up under the beach at Yantarniy. Amber drops account for a tiny amount of amber ever mined. They are in fact the overdose of resins that broke away from the streams, which flowed as amber icicles. They come in many shapes and sizes and their structure is usually deformed - ie not perfect tear drops. Drops flattened off by falling are more frequently found. Regular shape drops like this one are extremely rare. The happy combination of being formed when resins flowed from slits of wood felling immediately into flowing water. An alternative explanation Popular oral history refers to the tragic story of Phaeton (son of Apollo), who nagged his father to drive the chariot which daily drew the sun around the world........."At that time, Jupiter, who heard the frightened cries of the people, struck Fetonte with his lightening and let him precipitate into the river Eridanus. Fetonte's sisters Egle, Lamecia, and Featus buried their brother's corpse and mourned. After four months the deities had pity, they transformed them into poplars and the tears of their inconsolable crying into amber drops. " This is really the general myth to explain amber, but it works particularly well for amber drops. Tim Fahy 3119
This product was added to our catalog on Sunday 11 January, 2004.Mythological images of Slavic gods 3.
In the East Slav mythology 'the heroic beginning' is not so expressed. The annals speak about Svarog's son - Dazhbog - Tsar (king) -sun. "The fragment about Svarog, the father of the sun, is connected to an insert about Sovius in John Malala's "Chronicle". These both texts, probably, reflect the common cultural tradition connected to tradition of cremation. There are in Baltic Slav culture Svarozich (differently named Radegast, Radigast, Redigost, Riedigost) it was venerated in the cult centre Retra as one of the main
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Re: THE BELIN MYTHOLOGY
There are in Baltic Slav culture Svarozich (differently named Radegast, Radigast, Redigost, Riedigost) it was venerated in the cult centre Retra as one of the main gods which attributes were a horse and spears (like Svantevit)..." (Myths of nations of the world, 1998, v. 2, p. 420). "The Tsar-sun" was compared by Rybakov with Scythian Colaxay - "Sun-king" (Rybakov, 1994, 434). He compares a legend stated by Herodot, with popular Slavic fairy tale on three empires. Three brothers-bogatyrs (hero) release princesses, stolen by Serpent or the Whirlwind. They extract three empires: Copper, Silver and Gold, last of which was got by younger brother. (Rybakov, 1994, 578 - 580).In the Serbian folklore the Tsar-sun is described sitting on a purple throne, and near from him there are two maidens - Morning down and Evening glow, seven judges - planets and the seven emissaries flying in an image of stars. Here is the uncle of him bald month also. (Afanasjev, 1994. v. 1).It is necessary to note that Dazhbog was considered as a deity of white light, instead of a star. The sun was thought as his crown. In this quality Dazhbog it is similar Mitra. And Hors was considered as a solar disk.
In medieval Russia the legend as Alexander the Great has risen on the sky on wonderful eagles or griffins was popular. It is embodied in decor of a cathedral in Vladimir, on diadems 12 c. A.D., on Russian embroideries. Everywhere it is shown the young man in a crown, on a chariot harnessed by birds or griffins. In opinion Rybakov the name of legendary tsar here covers image of Dazhbog (the image of the legendary king rising to the sky, is known and in ancient Iran mythologies. He was Kay Kavus ("Shahname") who according to some of sacred texts also has constructed seven magic palaces on sacred mountain (mountain Berezan of the Russian plots returning youth (Rak, 1998, 230 - 236).Sometimes the basic form of this god name considers as 'Dazhbog', deducing it from Indo-European 'burn', that is 'the burning god' turns out. But the majority of researchers bases on other spelling - 'Dazhdbog', that is deciphered as 'granting god'. In this quality the image is similar with Indian Bhaga.Probably, one of epithets of this (Dazhbog) Slavic god was 'White god', who opposites 'Black god'. Late White god's expression was Belun in the Belorussian folklore. He was represented as old man in white clothes, with a white beard and a staff in hands. During harvest he is present on fields an
In medieval Russia the legend as Alexander the Great has risen on the sky on wonderful eagles or griffins was popular. It is embodied in decor of a cathedral in Vladimir, on diadems 12 c. A.D., on Russian embroideries. Everywhere it is shown the young man in a crown, on a chariot harnessed by birds or griffins. In opinion Rybakov the name of legendary tsar here covers image of Dazhbog (the image of the legendary king rising to the sky, is known and in ancient Iran mythologies. He was Kay Kavus ("Shahname") who according to some of sacred texts also has constructed seven magic palaces on sacred mountain (mountain Berezan of the Russian plots returning youth (Rak, 1998, 230 - 236).Sometimes the basic form of this god name considers as 'Dazhbog', deducing it from Indo-European 'burn', that is 'the burning god' turns out. But the majority of researchers bases on other spelling - 'Dazhdbog', that is deciphered as 'granting god'. In this quality the image is similar with Indian Bhaga.Probably, one of epithets of this (Dazhbog) Slavic god was 'White god', who opposites 'Black god'. Late White god's expression was Belun in the Belorussian folklore. He was represented as old man in white clothes, with a white beard and a staff in hands. During harvest he is present on fields an
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Re: THE BELIN MYTHOLOGY
Probably, one of epithets of this (Dazhbog) Slavic god was 'White god', who opposites 'Black god'. Late White god's expression was Belun in the Belorussian folklore. He was represented as old man in white clothes, with a white beard and a staff in hands. During harvest he is present on fields and helps peasants, and also save people in wood and gives riches. (Afanasjev, 1994. v. 1).
------------------------------------------------------------------------------With identification of the Slavic God of Earth Powers there is no problem for east Slav Veles (Volos) likes Balt Vels. He was popular and considered as the god of "all Russia" in counterbalance Perun - to the patron of a princely warriors. In Kiev Perun's idol stood on mountain and Veles's idol down, in the bottom part of city. In ancient Russian sources Veles is the god of cattle and riches. "The Word about Igor's regiment" names legendary poet Boyan (probably, living at court yard Yaroslav Wise) 'Veles's grandson', that reflects connection of the God of Earth Powers with ceremonial and, in genesis - priestly functions.Veles has left a rich trace in national culture of the Slavs. In winter holidays, taking place from January 7 till January 19, and also on a pancake week April 6 people dressed oneself animal (bull and bear) masks and coats fur outside sheepskin, with cattle bell at a belt. The Bulgarians were kept this custom till second half of 20 century (Rybakov, 1994, 428 - 430). The custom to left last ears in a field, "for Veles's beard" is connected to Veles's cult also.After christening image of Veles was divided. On the one hand, he was identified with Saint Vlasiy, especially popular in Russian north. Per day of Saint Vlasiy there was a custom of burning of 'the cow death' that reminds burning bones of animals in Balt holiday of vele. In pagan function Veles 'God Volosatik' was perceived as some spirit.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------With identification of the Slavic God of Earth Powers there is no problem for east Slav Veles (Volos) likes Balt Vels. He was popular and considered as the god of "all Russia" in counterbalance Perun - to the patron of a princely warriors. In Kiev Perun's idol stood on mountain and Veles's idol down, in the bottom part of city. In ancient Russian sources Veles is the god of cattle and riches. "The Word about Igor's regiment" names legendary poet Boyan (probably, living at court yard Yaroslav Wise) 'Veles's grandson', that reflects connection of the God of Earth Powers with ceremonial and, in genesis - priestly functions.Veles has left a rich trace in national culture of the Slavs. In winter holidays, taking place from January 7 till January 19, and also on a pancake week April 6 people dressed oneself animal (bull and bear) masks and coats fur outside sheepskin, with cattle bell at a belt. The Bulgarians were kept this custom till second half of 20 century (Rybakov, 1994, 428 - 430). The custom to left last ears in a field, "for Veles's beard" is connected to Veles's cult also.After christening image of Veles was divided. On the one hand, he was identified with Saint Vlasiy, especially popular in Russian north. Per day of Saint Vlasiy there was a custom of burning of 'the cow death' that reminds burning bones of animals in Balt holiday of vele. In pagan function Veles 'God Volosatik' was perceived as some spirit.
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GREEKS CALLED ZEUS AS BELOS (baBYLonians)
GREEKS CALLED ZEUS AS BELOS (baBYLonians)
i have already noticed the similarities on baBYLonia and on the belus characters. this warrants investigating. as for byla zora, greeks still have to disprove "zora"Norican stelae of Roman period. It depicts the scenes from the fable of Fetonte (Kresnik), Belin's son. On the right we see two increased scenes, in which Cygnus, Fetonte's friend, is trying to dissuade him from the faithful action to take the sunny carriage.
Fetonte (Pha+¬t+¦n) was the son of Helios (Apollo) and the nymph Klimene. Cygnus, the Ligurian king, was his caring friend. One day, Fetonte boasted himself to have the most brilliant of the gods as father. Then, his playmate Epaphus, wickedly merely said, that his mother told him lies, and in reality his father is a common mortal. Fetonte asked his mother for explanations, but she did not have enough arguments to re-assure him. Therefore, she sent him to Helios, so that he would verify her words.
Helios tried to calm him down and to re-assure him, but Fetonte asked, as proof of the veracious paternal love, that god should grant him whatever he is asking for. Incautiously, Helios promised and swore. Fetonte requested, that the father should let him lead his sunny carriage, as to circle around the Earth with its team of horses. But the divine horses soon felt his inexperience, and he lost control over the reins. So, he came with the sunny carriage so close to Earth, that he could have set it ablaze.
At that time, Jupiter, who heard the frightened cries of the people, struck Fetonte with his lightening and let him precipitate into the river Eridanus. Fetonte's sisters Egle, Lamecia, and Featus buried their brother's corpse and mourned. After four months the deities had pity, they transformed them into poplars and the tears of their inconsolable crying into amber drops. Fetonte's friend Cycnus, king of the Ligurians, was also shocked by his death, and he was transformed into a water bird, that since then bears the name cygnus (swan).Another increased scene from the Norican stelae: Fetonte is sitting on the sunny carriage. Above him we see Belin Zeus (Zeus) and Hermes, as they appear in the Grecized legend of Fetonte.
This mythical story is not of Greek origin, but is handed down in a Grecized form. It has to be mentioned here, that the ancient Greeks also called their supreme god B+¬los or Zeus-B+¬los. Thus, there is a very close similarity of names between
i have already noticed the similarities on baBYLonia and on the belus characters. this warrants investigating. as for byla zora, greeks still have to disprove "zora"Norican stelae of Roman period. It depicts the scenes from the fable of Fetonte (Kresnik), Belin's son. On the right we see two increased scenes, in which Cygnus, Fetonte's friend, is trying to dissuade him from the faithful action to take the sunny carriage.
Fetonte (Pha+¬t+¦n) was the son of Helios (Apollo) and the nymph Klimene. Cygnus, the Ligurian king, was his caring friend. One day, Fetonte boasted himself to have the most brilliant of the gods as father. Then, his playmate Epaphus, wickedly merely said, that his mother told him lies, and in reality his father is a common mortal. Fetonte asked his mother for explanations, but she did not have enough arguments to re-assure him. Therefore, she sent him to Helios, so that he would verify her words.
Helios tried to calm him down and to re-assure him, but Fetonte asked, as proof of the veracious paternal love, that god should grant him whatever he is asking for. Incautiously, Helios promised and swore. Fetonte requested, that the father should let him lead his sunny carriage, as to circle around the Earth with its team of horses. But the divine horses soon felt his inexperience, and he lost control over the reins. So, he came with the sunny carriage so close to Earth, that he could have set it ablaze.
At that time, Jupiter, who heard the frightened cries of the people, struck Fetonte with his lightening and let him precipitate into the river Eridanus. Fetonte's sisters Egle, Lamecia, and Featus buried their brother's corpse and mourned. After four months the deities had pity, they transformed them into poplars and the tears of their inconsolable crying into amber drops. Fetonte's friend Cycnus, king of the Ligurians, was also shocked by his death, and he was transformed into a water bird, that since then bears the name cygnus (swan).Another increased scene from the Norican stelae: Fetonte is sitting on the sunny carriage. Above him we see Belin Zeus (Zeus) and Hermes, as they appear in the Grecized legend of Fetonte.
This mythical story is not of Greek origin, but is handed down in a Grecized form. It has to be mentioned here, that the ancient Greeks also called their supreme god B+¬los or Zeus-B+¬los. Thus, there is a very close similarity of names between
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Re: GREEKS CALLED ZEUS AS BELOS (baBYLonians)
Another increased scene from the Norican stelae: Fetonte is sitting on the sunny carriage. Above him we see Belin Zeus (Zeus) and Hermes, as they appear in the Grecized legend of Fetonte.
This mythical story is not of Greek origin, but is handed down in a Grecized form. It has to be mentioned here, that the ancient Greeks also called their supreme god B+¬los or Zeus-B+¬los. Thus, there is a very close similarity of names between them and the ancient Veneti. The Fetonte-story therefore certainly pertains to the Venetic mythology. It captured people's attention in the 19th century AD, when the public showed an interest for cultural legacies from the classical world. Fetonte's story was summed up with the following words: The existence of the Veneti in Venetia intervened with the myths created by the Greeks... who also invented the precipitous fall of Fetonte in Eridanus. Berosus of Chaldea, who lived in the 4th century BC, wrote, that the Veneti descended from Fetonte, the son of Ligure... (Molon, 1881). Berosus (340 - 290 BC) was a Chaldean priest, historian and astronomer. The word Ligure is associated with the Ligurian king in the story, and in this way with the Ligurians, who, in my opinion, are descendants of the ancient Veneti. Consequently, several authors, who are not familiar with the Venetic origin and their identity, assume that at one time Europe was populated by the "Ligurians".
This mythical story is not of Greek origin, but is handed down in a Grecized form. It has to be mentioned here, that the ancient Greeks also called their supreme god B+¬los or Zeus-B+¬los. Thus, there is a very close similarity of names between them and the ancient Veneti. The Fetonte-story therefore certainly pertains to the Venetic mythology. It captured people's attention in the 19th century AD, when the public showed an interest for cultural legacies from the classical world. Fetonte's story was summed up with the following words: The existence of the Veneti in Venetia intervened with the myths created by the Greeks... who also invented the precipitous fall of Fetonte in Eridanus. Berosus of Chaldea, who lived in the 4th century BC, wrote, that the Veneti descended from Fetonte, the son of Ligure... (Molon, 1881). Berosus (340 - 290 BC) was a Chaldean priest, historian and astronomer. The word Ligure is associated with the Ligurian king in the story, and in this way with the Ligurians, who, in my opinion, are descendants of the ancient Veneti. Consequently, several authors, who are not familiar with the Venetic origin and their identity, assume that at one time Europe was populated by the "Ligurians".
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Macedonian Statue of Liberty: More Proof
Macedonian Statue of Liberty: More Proof
belen, through babylon is the original source. but belen, to the Macedonians was the inspiration of their sun god and atg became a sungod. as i was saying previously, this led to the statue of liberty today
It has been suggested that the Sun-God in the colossus of Rhodes was modelled after Alexander. If this is true then Alexander lives in the statue of Liberty in the United States.dr. pal, ranajitda (sorry if i've misspelled your name)
belen, through babylon is the original source. but belen, to the Macedonians was the inspiration of their sun god and atg became a sungod. as i was saying previously, this led to the statue of liberty today
It has been suggested that the Sun-God in the colossus of Rhodes was modelled after Alexander. If this is true then Alexander lives in the statue of Liberty in the United States.dr. pal, ranajitda (sorry if i've misspelled your name)
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BELIN MYTH - The Steinbock
BELIN MYTHVeles has hornsalso connections to patron of the artshttp://www.niagara.com/~jezovnik/826dd3a0.jpg
Another increased scene from the Norican stelae: Fetonte is sitting on the sunny carriage. Above him we see Belin Zeus (Zeus) and Hermes, as they appear in the Grecized legend of Fetonte.
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Norican slab bearing the inscription which attests the sacrifice to the Steinbock (Belin's messenger), 1st century BC, Roman era.
http://www.niagara.com/~jezovnik/820783a0.jpgBelin had also a messenger in the animal world, which must have been the Steinbock, or ibex. In the Norican chief town of +átalen (Magdalensberg) in Carinthia, a slab stone was preserved from the 1st century BC, bearing the inscription: sacrificiu(m) Cap(r)icorni C(aio)Vibio Postumo co(n)s(ulle) pr(idie)... Novimb(res) Gallus fec(it) lu(mina) ==, v(inum)==, cru(stum)=, murra= Translated: Sacrifice of the steinbock was carried out by Gallus, under Consul Caius Vibius Postumus.... in November (together 12 onches of wares, expressed with 6 signs of = ). One says, this sacrifice was dedicated to Emperor Augustus, conceived on December 23 in the sign of the Capricornus (Steinbock, from December 22 - Januar 21). But the month of November does not correspond to this event. This sacrifice was evidently made in honour of Belin's messenger, the Steinbock.
http://www.niagara.com/~jezovnik/81cfa3a0.jpg
Goldenhorn (Zlatorog), the white gold-horned steinbock, was Belin's (or Belen's) messenger in nature. Rudolph Baumbach, a German poet, made this into a famous poem called "Zlatorog" (Leipzig 1877). It is not known, if Belin had an animal messenger in the Celtic world too. - Painting by Ivo Petkov+íek. - (for details see Slovenska Znamenja, article: Goldenhorn - the Steinbock of the Alps)
The common people believed that Belin's steinbock did not have natural features but that he rather appeared as a Goldenhorn, meaning, a white steinbock with golden horns, called Zlatorog in Slovenian. In the Julian Alps his legend has been preserved since ancient times and was finally registered and published by Karl Deschmann in the Laibacher Zeitung (Lublana 1868). After that, Rudolf Baumbach, a German poet, reworked it into a poem, which was translated into several languages and became famous all over Central Europe.
Another increased scene from the Norican stelae: Fetonte is sitting on the sunny carriage. Above him we see Belin Zeus (Zeus) and Hermes, as they appear in the Grecized legend of Fetonte.
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Norican slab bearing the inscription which attests the sacrifice to the Steinbock (Belin's messenger), 1st century BC, Roman era.
http://www.niagara.com/~jezovnik/820783a0.jpgBelin had also a messenger in the animal world, which must have been the Steinbock, or ibex. In the Norican chief town of +átalen (Magdalensberg) in Carinthia, a slab stone was preserved from the 1st century BC, bearing the inscription: sacrificiu(m) Cap(r)icorni C(aio)Vibio Postumo co(n)s(ulle) pr(idie)... Novimb(res) Gallus fec(it) lu(mina) ==, v(inum)==, cru(stum)=, murra= Translated: Sacrifice of the steinbock was carried out by Gallus, under Consul Caius Vibius Postumus.... in November (together 12 onches of wares, expressed with 6 signs of = ). One says, this sacrifice was dedicated to Emperor Augustus, conceived on December 23 in the sign of the Capricornus (Steinbock, from December 22 - Januar 21). But the month of November does not correspond to this event. This sacrifice was evidently made in honour of Belin's messenger, the Steinbock.
http://www.niagara.com/~jezovnik/81cfa3a0.jpg
Goldenhorn (Zlatorog), the white gold-horned steinbock, was Belin's (or Belen's) messenger in nature. Rudolph Baumbach, a German poet, made this into a famous poem called "Zlatorog" (Leipzig 1877). It is not known, if Belin had an animal messenger in the Celtic world too. - Painting by Ivo Petkov+íek. - (for details see Slovenska Znamenja, article: Goldenhorn - the Steinbock of the Alps)
The common people believed that Belin's steinbock did not have natural features but that he rather appeared as a Goldenhorn, meaning, a white steinbock with golden horns, called Zlatorog in Slovenian. In the Julian Alps his legend has been preserved since ancient times and was finally registered and published by Karl Deschmann in the Laibacher Zeitung (Lublana 1868). After that, Rudolf Baumbach, a German poet, reworked it into a poem, which was translated into several languages and became famous all over Central Europe.
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Re: GREEKS CALLED ZEUS AS BELOS (baBYLonians)
Re: GREEKS CALLED ZEUS AS BELOS (baBYLonians)
grains and such - same as slav belin
"Ours is no sapling, chance sown by the fountain,
Blooming at Beltane in winter to fade;"
Sir Walter Scott; 'Boat Song' from the 'Lady of the Lake.'
There are more surviving inscriptions to Belinos than to any other Celtic God, his name means 'shining' or 'brightly shining.
Belinos was worshipped in worshipped in N. Italy, Gaul and Britain.'Belinos was equated with Apollo. We have seen reason to believe that he is none other than the Welsh Beli or Belin, father of Avallach. Belin appears in Chretien's 'Erec' as lord of the Otherworld isles of the Antipodes. In the 'Estoire' Belin turns up as Pellean, lord of the plenty- giving Grail' .p.231. Loomis - Celtic Myth etc.http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:rw ... myth&hl=en
grains and such - same as slav belin
"Ours is no sapling, chance sown by the fountain,
Blooming at Beltane in winter to fade;"
Sir Walter Scott; 'Boat Song' from the 'Lady of the Lake.'
There are more surviving inscriptions to Belinos than to any other Celtic God, his name means 'shining' or 'brightly shining.
Belinos was worshipped in worshipped in N. Italy, Gaul and Britain.'Belinos was equated with Apollo. We have seen reason to believe that he is none other than the Welsh Beli or Belin, father of Avallach. Belin appears in Chretien's 'Erec' as lord of the Otherworld isles of the Antipodes. In the 'Estoire' Belin turns up as Pellean, lord of the plenty- giving Grail' .p.231. Loomis - Celtic Myth etc.http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:rw ... myth&hl=en