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Actually, it is a common mistake to assume that Alexander was a blonde. There is a common word used by the anicent Greeks(which escapes me right now) which was used to describe a variety of hair colors ranging from light brown to blonde.
It also mentions in Plutarchs parallel lives that Alexander added chamomile to his hair to lighten it, hence it could have been mistaken to believe that he was blonde.Someone correct me if im wrong.
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It also mentions in Plutarchs parallel lives that Alexander added chamomile to his hair to lighten it, hence it could have been mistaken to believe that he was blonde.Someone correct me if im wrong.
Regards,
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What, was he trying to make his hair color more like his hero, Achilles, who actually DID have blonde (yellow) hair? Now it seems everyone else is trying to do that for him.John
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Hi Susan,The big problem is that, as you say, there is absolutely no evidence of Celtic blood - and no reason why any should have come from Olympias, as the Molossians weren't Celtic.Still, judging from the number of different opinions about his physical traits, I suppose this one is no more or less believable...All the bestMarcus
Alexander's bloodline
Actually, given the habit of ruling families marrying from outside their country to make alliances, you might expect that the blood purity of the ruling family to get more and more diluted as the years went by. Think of the British royal family up to the 1950s.Of Philip's wives, I think that two were Macedonian - Phila & Cleopatra - the rest were Molossian, Illyrian, Thracian, Thessalian.
Philip's mother Eurydice was possibly Illyrian.Olympias' father was Molossian, but who was her mother? Go back another generation and another batch of alliances and you could be covering a wide area. Although the father's name is recorded, physical characteristics could come just as easily from the mother. Think of Henry VIII, who obviously inherited looks and temperament from his maternal grandfather Edward IV although on paper you would regard them as separate dynasties.So - Alexander's grandparents were:
Amyntas III - assume Macedonian
Eurydice - possibly Illyrian
Neoptolemus - assume Molossian
?? Olympias' mother - unknownThis is moving up the Balkan peninsula, so to expect colouring from the Classical Greek area is unlikely.As for Celts, about 400BC armed bands of Celts were at the head of the Adriatic and making armed raids down Italy. If they were the other side of the Adriatic, making raids down into Illyria and Molossia there wouldn't be any records but given their raids on mainland Greece in 279 BC it wouldn't be too surprising. I'll try to find out more about the earliest records of Celts in the area.On another tangent, I saw somewhere a suggestion that the Indian emperor Asoka, grandson of Chandragupta, could have been a quarter or eighth Macedonian through the daughter of Seleucus. Has anyone else seen this ?
Philip's mother Eurydice was possibly Illyrian.Olympias' father was Molossian, but who was her mother? Go back another generation and another batch of alliances and you could be covering a wide area. Although the father's name is recorded, physical characteristics could come just as easily from the mother. Think of Henry VIII, who obviously inherited looks and temperament from his maternal grandfather Edward IV although on paper you would regard them as separate dynasties.So - Alexander's grandparents were:
Amyntas III - assume Macedonian
Eurydice - possibly Illyrian
Neoptolemus - assume Molossian
?? Olympias' mother - unknownThis is moving up the Balkan peninsula, so to expect colouring from the Classical Greek area is unlikely.As for Celts, about 400BC armed bands of Celts were at the head of the Adriatic and making armed raids down Italy. If they were the other side of the Adriatic, making raids down into Illyria and Molossia there wouldn't be any records but given their raids on mainland Greece in 279 BC it wouldn't be too surprising. I'll try to find out more about the earliest records of Celts in the area.On another tangent, I saw somewhere a suggestion that the Indian emperor Asoka, grandson of Chandragupta, could have been a quarter or eighth Macedonian through the daughter of Seleucus. Has anyone else seen this ?
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JohnAchilles had auburn hair, according to Homer; Alexander wanted to emulate the Homeric Achilles presumably.Linda
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Had he not been too tall,Jude Law would be the perfect choice for this role.But wait...i think they have the technology to arrange this small detail.Just look what they've done in lord of the rings.
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Oh, no, now are we going to argue over the color of ACHILLES' hair?!I just did an internet search to check myself. The first english translation to come up under "Homer Iliad" was by Samuel Butler. So I scrolled down to book 23, where Achilles cuts off a lock of his hair in honor of Patroclus. The translation is "yellow lock." Surely this is blonde, not auburn.John
blonde -v- auburn
Maybe Alexander would be happy to know that the hair colors yellow blonde (Achilles), and auburn (Alexander), are not so far apart genetically. I know this is true because my full sister has yellow blonde hair, while I have this auburn deal.John
Re: blonde -v- auburn
Maybe we are back to the mysterious Greek word for fair-ish through to light brown hair. I got "auburn" from my audio CD version. I'll check the Penguin one. Of course, Achilles may be both fair and auburn in the same work. 

Re: blonde -v- auburn
Linda,Homer uses the Greek word xanthos to describe the color of Achilles' hair. This is usually translated as yellow, but I read could sometimes mean reddish or auburn, too. (Maybe we'll never know for sure the true color of Achilles' hair!) Anyway, here is a yellow-headed blackbird (xanthocephalus):http://www.utahbirds.org/birdsofutah/Pr ... .htmHere's some more trivia: Achilles had a horse named Xanthos, a talking horse, no less. Achilles tells Xanthos to bring him back from battle alive, not dead like he brought back Patroclus. And Xanthos replies, OK. This time I'll bring you back alive, but you will die on the battlefield in the future, and that time I won't be able to save you.I read that Alexander's horse Bucephalus was endowed with almost human emotions, but I think Achilles' horse Xanthos was even more amazing, if Homer was telling the truth that it could give human voice!John
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Alexander,in his father's tomb is pictured with black hair.The only reason that they depict him as blonde is because all the Greek Gods were blonde (because it was the most rare and their gods should be rare). The Greek people from the antiquity until now are composed from:
85% Mediterranian White
10% Alpinic White
5% Nordic White
So Nordic is rare generally.
85% Mediterranian White
10% Alpinic White
5% Nordic White
So Nordic is rare generally.
ALEXANDER THE GREAT MACEDONIAN MOVIE
... I am wondering why & how, most of the people are interested so much about materialistic and physical matters i.e. characteristics but not about Alexander's i.e. his Macedonian Dream and vision about Universal Brotherhood of Man, world full of compassion, mutual respect, friendship, love...Laexander was uniting peoples, cultures, civilisations, esteblishing dialoque between civilisations for solving their problems, unifying them into one peacefull brotherhood of man with equal opportunity and progress/prosper for every heart and soul on this beautifull planet as our home. Today world is full of selfishness, greed, arrogance, not to mention absence of ethic/moral and somehow presence of destructive force. So this world need strong message for getting closser what spouse to be universal brotherhood of man, and this movie is /should be all about that. Peoples are fed enough with blood, force... but with no message for better world, vission for bright future. This world need what deserve- better future and that was Laexander's Dream, so it should be that way. It is time for universal brotherhood of man and LIGHT !
Re: Alexander's bloodline
All investigations re:same are telling that his -Alexander's ancestors were from Macedonian origin.
Regarding his intelligence, and his nobel goal for universal Brotherhood of Man I could say again: RE: ALEXANDER THE GREAT MACEDONIAN- MOVIE, his nobel goal and vision for our future was simple
Message: UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD OF MAN- ALEXANDER THE GREAT MACEDONIAN DREAM
... I am wondering why & how, most of the people are interested so much about materialistic and physical matters i.e. characteristics but not about Alexander's i.e. his Macedonian Dream and vision about Universal Brotherhood of Man, world full of compassion, mutual respect, friendship, love...Alexander was uniting peoples, cultures, civilisations, establishing dialogue between civilisations for solving their problems, unifying them into one peaceful brotherhood of man with equal opportunity and progress/prosper for every heart and soul on this beautiful planet as our home. Today world is full of selfishness, greed, arrogance, not to mention absence of ethic/moral and somehow presence of destructive force. So this world need strong message for getting closer what spouse to be universal brotherhood of man, and this movie is /should be all about that. Peoples are fed enough with blood, force... but with no message for better world, vision for bright future. This world need what deserve- better future and that was Alexander's Dream, so it should be that way. It is time for universal brotherhood of man and LIGHT!
WITH ALL MY LOVE TRUTH AND LIGHT
MAY PEACE PREVAIL ON EARTH FOREVER
GÇô THE LIGHT 7000
Regarding his intelligence, and his nobel goal for universal Brotherhood of Man I could say again: RE: ALEXANDER THE GREAT MACEDONIAN- MOVIE, his nobel goal and vision for our future was simple
Message: UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD OF MAN- ALEXANDER THE GREAT MACEDONIAN DREAM
... I am wondering why & how, most of the people are interested so much about materialistic and physical matters i.e. characteristics but not about Alexander's i.e. his Macedonian Dream and vision about Universal Brotherhood of Man, world full of compassion, mutual respect, friendship, love...Alexander was uniting peoples, cultures, civilisations, establishing dialogue between civilisations for solving their problems, unifying them into one peaceful brotherhood of man with equal opportunity and progress/prosper for every heart and soul on this beautiful planet as our home. Today world is full of selfishness, greed, arrogance, not to mention absence of ethic/moral and somehow presence of destructive force. So this world need strong message for getting closer what spouse to be universal brotherhood of man, and this movie is /should be all about that. Peoples are fed enough with blood, force... but with no message for better world, vision for bright future. This world need what deserve- better future and that was Alexander's Dream, so it should be that way. It is time for universal brotherhood of man and LIGHT!
WITH ALL MY LOVE TRUTH AND LIGHT
MAY PEACE PREVAIL ON EARTH FOREVER
GÇô THE LIGHT 7000
REPLY TO ALL REPLY'S & UNIVERSAL MESSAGE
ALEXANDER GÇôIII- THE GREAT MACEDONIAN
MOVIE
- FACTS AND UNIVERSAL MESSAGE
Message: UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD OF MAN- ALEXANDER THE GREAT MACEDONIAN DREAM
There is something more about Alexander The Great Macedonian, and his dreams, vision for this world! So after all that mankind went trough, even from Macedonian origin, because of his noble goal and vision for Universal Brotherhood of Man- full of respect and compassion, mutual recognition..., I believe that no one has copy right to Alexander's noble goal and vision except mankind in general, as a Universal Brotherhood of Man, with transformation of UN to World Parliament with democratically elected World Government- from it's own members states, and World Citizens/ Ethnic congress, as a parallel assembly to UN - from Non Government Organizations, which will give more rights to peoples around the globe... We can only repeat AlexandersGÇÖ message as a in print in all his actions for better world for all: UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD OF MAN- ALEXANDER THE GREAT MACEDONIAN DREAM, because as I said... I am still wondering why & how, most of the people are interested so much about materialistic and physical matters i.e. characteristics but not about Alexander's i.e. his Macedonian Dream and vision about Universal Brotherhood of Man, world full of compassion, mutual respect, friendship, love...Alexander was uniting peoples, cultures, civilisations, establishing dialogue between civilisations for solving their problems, unifying them into one peaceful brotherhood of man with equal opportunity and progress/prosper for every heart and soul on this beautiful planet as our home. Today world is full of selfishness, greed, arrogance, not to mention absence of ethic/moral and somehow presence of destructive force. So this world need strong message for getting closer what spouse to be universal brotherhood of man, and this movie is /should be all about that. Peoples are fed enough with blood, force... but with no message for better world, vision for bright future. This world need what deserve- better future and that was Alexander's Dream, so it should be that way. It is time for universal brotherhood of man and LIGHT! GǪ
Dr. Vasko M. Najdovski
WITH ALL MY LOVE TRUTH AND LIGHT
MOVIE
- FACTS AND UNIVERSAL MESSAGE
Message: UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD OF MAN- ALEXANDER THE GREAT MACEDONIAN DREAM
There is something more about Alexander The Great Macedonian, and his dreams, vision for this world! So after all that mankind went trough, even from Macedonian origin, because of his noble goal and vision for Universal Brotherhood of Man- full of respect and compassion, mutual recognition..., I believe that no one has copy right to Alexander's noble goal and vision except mankind in general, as a Universal Brotherhood of Man, with transformation of UN to World Parliament with democratically elected World Government- from it's own members states, and World Citizens/ Ethnic congress, as a parallel assembly to UN - from Non Government Organizations, which will give more rights to peoples around the globe... We can only repeat AlexandersGÇÖ message as a in print in all his actions for better world for all: UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD OF MAN- ALEXANDER THE GREAT MACEDONIAN DREAM, because as I said... I am still wondering why & how, most of the people are interested so much about materialistic and physical matters i.e. characteristics but not about Alexander's i.e. his Macedonian Dream and vision about Universal Brotherhood of Man, world full of compassion, mutual respect, friendship, love...Alexander was uniting peoples, cultures, civilisations, establishing dialogue between civilisations for solving their problems, unifying them into one peaceful brotherhood of man with equal opportunity and progress/prosper for every heart and soul on this beautiful planet as our home. Today world is full of selfishness, greed, arrogance, not to mention absence of ethic/moral and somehow presence of destructive force. So this world need strong message for getting closer what spouse to be universal brotherhood of man, and this movie is /should be all about that. Peoples are fed enough with blood, force... but with no message for better world, vision for bright future. This world need what deserve- better future and that was Alexander's Dream, so it should be that way. It is time for universal brotherhood of man and LIGHT! GǪ
Dr. Vasko M. Najdovski
WITH ALL MY LOVE TRUTH AND LIGHT
ALEXANDER THE GREAT MACEDONIAN UNIVERSAL MESSAGE & MOVIE
ALEXANDER GÇôIII- THE GREAT MACEDONIAN
- MOVIE
- FACTS AND UNIVERSAL MESSAGE
Message: UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD OF MAN- ALEXANDER THE GREAT MACEDONIAN DREAM
There is something more about Alexander The Great Macedonian, and his dreams, vision for this world! So after all that mankind went trough, even from Macedonian origin, because of his noble goal and vision for Universal Brotherhood of Man- full of respect and compassion, mutual recognition... I believe that no one has copy right to Alexander's noble goal and vision except mankind in general, as a Universal Brotherhood of Man, with transformation of UN to World Parliament with democratically elected World Government- from it's own members states, and World Citizens/ Ethnic congress, as a parallel assembly to UN - from Non Government Organizations, which will give more rights to peoples around the globe... We can only repeat AlexandersGÇÖ message as a in print in all his actions for better world for all: UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD OF MAN- ALEXANDER THE GREAT MACEDONIAN DREAM, because as I said... I am still wondering why & how, most of the people are interested so much about materialistic and physical matters i.e. characteristics but not about Alexander's i.e. his Macedonian Dream and vision about Universal Brotherhood of Man, world full of compassion, mutual respect, friendship, love...Alexander was uniting people, cultures, civilisations, establishing dialogue between civilisations for solving their problems, unifying them into one Peaceful Brotherhood of Man with equal opportunity and progress/prosper for every heart and soul on this beautiful planet as our home. Today world is full of selfishness, greed, arrogance, not to mention absence of ethic/moral and somehow presence of destructive force. So this world need strong message for getting closer what spouse to be universal brotherhood of man, and this movie is /should be all about that. Peoples are fed enough with blood, force... but with no message for better world, vision for bright future. This world need what deserve- better future and that was Alexander's Dream, so it should be that way. It is time for universal brotherhood of man and LIGHT! GǪ
TODAY- LOOKING ARRAOUND THE WORLD, LOOKING ARROUND, LETGÇÖS LOOK ARRAOUND THE WORLD MY FRIENDS,
So did you find any true respect, friendship, love,copmpassion... wit
- MOVIE
- FACTS AND UNIVERSAL MESSAGE
Message: UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD OF MAN- ALEXANDER THE GREAT MACEDONIAN DREAM
There is something more about Alexander The Great Macedonian, and his dreams, vision for this world! So after all that mankind went trough, even from Macedonian origin, because of his noble goal and vision for Universal Brotherhood of Man- full of respect and compassion, mutual recognition... I believe that no one has copy right to Alexander's noble goal and vision except mankind in general, as a Universal Brotherhood of Man, with transformation of UN to World Parliament with democratically elected World Government- from it's own members states, and World Citizens/ Ethnic congress, as a parallel assembly to UN - from Non Government Organizations, which will give more rights to peoples around the globe... We can only repeat AlexandersGÇÖ message as a in print in all his actions for better world for all: UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD OF MAN- ALEXANDER THE GREAT MACEDONIAN DREAM, because as I said... I am still wondering why & how, most of the people are interested so much about materialistic and physical matters i.e. characteristics but not about Alexander's i.e. his Macedonian Dream and vision about Universal Brotherhood of Man, world full of compassion, mutual respect, friendship, love...Alexander was uniting people, cultures, civilisations, establishing dialogue between civilisations for solving their problems, unifying them into one Peaceful Brotherhood of Man with equal opportunity and progress/prosper for every heart and soul on this beautiful planet as our home. Today world is full of selfishness, greed, arrogance, not to mention absence of ethic/moral and somehow presence of destructive force. So this world need strong message for getting closer what spouse to be universal brotherhood of man, and this movie is /should be all about that. Peoples are fed enough with blood, force... but with no message for better world, vision for bright future. This world need what deserve- better future and that was Alexander's Dream, so it should be that way. It is time for universal brotherhood of man and LIGHT! GǪ
TODAY- LOOKING ARRAOUND THE WORLD, LOOKING ARROUND, LETGÇÖS LOOK ARRAOUND THE WORLD MY FRIENDS,
So did you find any true respect, friendship, love,copmpassion... wit