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Yannis, File,... Jesus won't help you because you are lying, however maybe HE will help you a bit with some forgivness, becouse you are addmiting de facto and de jure that name greece was not in use before 1828-32! So my friend, why you are lying people and why you are so strongly opposing any thing that imply to Makedonia and Makedonians, even know that Alexander was Makedonian not Hellen. On the other hand, you are saying tha Romans use to use term Greek for Hellens/Xellens (newcommers in makedonia), yes maybe true, but maybe some of ancient Makedonians use to use this term for newcommers, and you know why, because in Makedonian this means ugly, GRK-GRD, unrespectfull, disshonesst, and simular. You know the truth now, it was hidden in me becouse of words, but people like you would do anything to get what belongs to them..., and that is your "fault" that is came up to LIGHT...My appology if I am insultive, but this is fact, and I never heard from you any appology what so ever, even you are using terible lies...Now
All the best my friend, and... HASTA LA VISTA,
as SOTER/SOTRI=TERMINATOR/DESTROYER ... would say, he is Governor now in California, and greatrest think for me to say ADIO, is fact that Mother Tereza from Makedonia is going to be SAINT on 18 0f Oct., and His Holiness The Pope will recive Nobel prise for peace, and this after Mandela is making me so happy,... with hope for better world......MAY PEACE PREVAIL ON EARTH FOREVER
WITH ALL MY LOVE TRUTH AND LIGHT- THE LIGHT 7000

VASKO: Yannis, File,... Jesus won't help you because you are lying, however maybe HE will help you a bit with some forgivness, becouse you are addmiting de facto and de jure that name greece was not in use before 1828-32! ANSWER: Like I said previously, EVERYONE is saying that. VASKO: So my friend, why you are lying people and why you are so strongly opposing any thing that imply to Makedonia and Makedonians, even know that Alexander was Makedonian not Hellen. ANSWER: Macedonian yes, but not a Yugoslav Slav. The question is the origin of ancient Macedonians, if they were of Greek/Hellenic origin or not. Arguments exist for both points. But we already know your origins. You came in the area of Northern Macedonia during the migration of the Slavs in the 7th century CE. (As your President Gligorov has already said). PS
The Albanians claim that mother Teressa is an Albanian... not that I care

Hi Yiannis,Mother Teresa was born in Skopje, though... On the other hand, she was born in 1910, and as the Balkans looked entirely different on the map then, it wouldn't surprise me if Skopje was in Albania at that time.Still, as far as it pertains to this debate (which I don't think should continue), where she was born says nothing about her nationality.All the bestMarcus

Hello,I think it is an interesting observation.Also this might interest you while on the subject of Spanish.Peritas was the name of Alexander's dog- named after the Macedonian month of January but also it is of course very similar to the Spanish word for puppy "perrita".So here is another strange lexical conundrum for ya'Best regards and hasta pronto,
Dean.

YiannisThank you very much for the enlightening!
Certainly your explanation makes a lot of sense.
Best regardsAlejandro

Hi John, That is probably true. Something else I want to comment upon about ZeusAmmon...in the world of court reporting eu = i. Thus Zi.....on! Something to consider for those interesting in shorthand, codes, and briefs!Jan

My dear friends,
... i am wondering what will be "my world" without "friends" like you, always searching for TRUTH, and reavealing The TRUTH......Let me see.. yes 1910, it was before 1913, so it was before Bucharesht Treaty when Makedonia was devided between Serbis (Yugoslavia), Greece, Bulgaria and Albania,...So my friends, than and before Makedonia was WHOLE under Ottoman rule, undivided as it is now... BINGO- THANKYOUTHE LIGHT 7000

This debate is one of the funniest I-¦ve read in a long time, and certainly has no place in a place where history is studied and discussed. Yannis K.: Well we already know that Greece as a state didn-¦t exist before 1821 V. don-¦t we?V: Bingo! Thank you! Yes! You are my shining light! Thank you for speaking the truth! Hellenes never existed before 1821, they are a fabriation of the Ottoman empire. Yes, I know you agree! Long live the freaky light 7000.And BTW, what an uneducated claim to make saying that Hellas, Greece, Hellenes, Greeks didn-¦t exist or appear as ideas, words, entities or whatever in antiquity...It-¦s a shame that such a beautiful subject (history), and one of its most interesting persons (Alexander) are hijacked to statisfy personal inferiority complexes and political agendas.Lets keep this forum down to history, the scientific kind. Not the Zeus=Zvezda=Zvan=Swan=Duck=Goose theories that I see being thrown about here...

Well said, Alex.Marcus

HiI am Brazilian, and yes, Deus is the Port word for God. It sounded amazing to me when i learned that actually 'Zeus' was pronounced 'Zdeus' in ancient Attic Greek.But i know the Greeks in this forum will not agree, am i right? ;)For now they pronounce the zeta as 'z', not 'zd'.susa

Well dear, I can't speak for the rest, but I'll agree
Pronounciation has changed a lot over the years. Just look at how "B" was pronounced then compared to now... or look how much English language (for example) has changed in the last few centuries.Cheers,
Yiannis

Ooooh Yiannis! An Ancient Greek teacher of mine at college once said that we were sure to come across disagreements from the Greeks today in what concerns the old pronounciation. He was wrong, then? Specially about the pronounciation of 'beta'. He said you would not accept that beta was 'b' and not 'v' in old days!Pity he's no more, we would have a nice argument about this assertion of his... :(Thanks Yiannis.i

Well Susa, since there aren't many recordings left from that era no-one can claim that s/he holds the absolute truth.
So we're merely guesstimating

You guys also need to remember that the world wasn;t as connected as it is now, hence, dialects and accents were stronger than they are today and differed more from the mother tongue.

I'm speechless...John