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Firstly (and I'm well aware of Milns), can we please giveaway describing Diodorus' use of "Friends" as a "digression"? It is you who introduced it and, as I've attempted to show, the Sicilian has - immediately before describing these youths - described the entire Companion cavalry as the "Friends"!
Xenophon wrote:Curtius' language does not, I believe translate as "sons of Macedonian nobles" ( the word 'nobiles' is not used here) but rather, as has been referred to, Curtius says "principum Macedoniae" = principal/foremost Macedonians - The Loeb translates as "chief men"- which is obviously a much smaller group than just 'nobles' generally, and then goes on to describe the duties of this small (50) select group whose fathers were the 50 foremost men in Macedonia.
Xenophon wrote:It was therefore open only to the highest, as is re-inforced by Curtius' reference to 'principum Macedoniae'[ lit: principal Macedonians]. The distinction is obvious, and certainly not meaningless.
The distinction being made is simply between Macedonians (6,000 of whom have also come) and noble Macedonians - the king's "Friends" as Diodorus calls them. I would see it as dangerous practise to generalise from a single attestation (from the same source) the fact that the paides were only 50 and that they were the sons of a tightly restricted sub-class of "Friends" only ever restricted to fifty. That is a rather sweeping claim based on flimsy material. One might just as easily reverse the logic and argue that, since there is only the one notice of pages sent east and that only 50, the numbers of the group only supported the one lot of fifty!

That these pages were limited only to the sons of the "principal Macedonians" is another swingeing generalsiation based on a toothpick and the evidence more than suggests otherwise. Amongst those involved in the pages' conspiracy is one Philotas. Arrian (4.13.4) supplies his details: "Philotas, son of Karsis, the Thracian". There are non Macedonian hetairoi attested under Philip and Alexander. Nothing can presume that this Thracian was the only non Macedonian page. As well, Alexander married 100 (Plut. Mor. 1.7, 329E) of "the most prominent of his Friends" (to use Diodorus, 17.107.6) or hetairoi (Arrian) to Persian women. There is no reason to posit only 50 pages or fifty Macedonians priviledged to supply such.

Had Curtius been making this distinction and so "going on to describe the duties of this small (50) select group" (and I do not believe he is) one is left to wonder why, at 8.2.35, he does not describe them as this select group as such if he has made such a distinction.

Supposing that Alexander (or any king) could not leave Macedonia without taking all the pages does not wash. This is the only attestation of pages arriving in the east. It is hindsight to think that Alexander took all the pages because he knew he'd be away from Macedonia for an extended period. It is far more likely (as Hammond and others have suggested) that no pages were brought east until Alexander was confident of the outcome of the expedition: the defeat of the enemy. This is precisely the point in the campaign that we have the first and only recorded draft of these individuals. That this was the entire corps is nowhere stated and doubtful. I'm in agreement with those who see this draft as the older year class(es).
Xenophon wrote: but without any evidence to counter what Theopompus et al have to say, namely that they were selected for height and strength from all the Makedones. This is pure rhetoric, unless you support it with some evidence.
Theopompus refers only to the pezhetairoi. It is widely assumed, and I agree, that this is the unit that later became known as the hypaspists under Alexader (at the latest). Theopompus makes no distinction of any sub group within these guard troop and is referring to the entire corps rather than what we later know as the agema.
Xenophon wrote:Are we to assume, then, that the bulk of Macedon's nobles were content serve out their lives as ordinary infantrymen, albeit with the privilege of guarding the King ? Here, inter alia, Heckel's proposition falls down.
Neither I nor Heckel have anywhere suggested that these scions of the nobility are to "serve out their lives as ordinary infantrymen"; this is a "red herring" or, more pertinently, a straw man argument . Perhaps you might re-read Heckel's chapter in "Marshals".
Xenophon wrote:I am certainly not suggesting that all Hetairoi cavalry had been paides! Nor even that the 'Ile Basilikoi' were all former paides. Simply that on completion of their training, the likely unit they would have joined ( perhaps only a dozen or so 'graduates' at a time or less) would have been the 'Ile Basilikoi', which numbered several hundred. I agree with you that Philip's policy had been to expand his 'Hetairoi' cavalry by all means - and that included granting pasturage land and horses to non- Macedonians.......it is equally incorrect to assume all 'Hetairoi' had been paides, as to assume the whole Agema of Hypapsists had been.....
No one suggested that all hetairoi had been pages. What I've been at pains to point out is that Philip saw the need to expand his hetairoi. Early in his reign it numbered something like 800 and, as most agree, it numbered some 3,300 at the time of Alexander's expedition. One can hardly suppose that Antipater replaced the 1,300 hetairoi taken by Alexander as reinforcements by simply throwing open Macedonian "hetairoi-ship". Nor can one think that Alexander did so (though he would later when integrating Persians thus following his father's lead in Asia). The natural conclusion is that the expanded hetairoi would seek to maintain its ranks from their own sons. That these sons went through the Macedonian "agoge" is just as natural. And, were I one your excluded hetairoi, I would certainly be asking the question why the son of a Thracian was accorded this priveledge and opportunity for high rank and not mine.
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Arrian IV 13 I details the age and duties of the ‘paides’
ἐκ Φιλίππου ἦν ἤδη καθεστηκὸς τῶν ἐν τέλει Μακεδόνων τοὺς παῖδας ὅσοι ἐς ἡλικίαν ἐμειρακιεύοντο καταλέγεσθαι ἐς θεραπείαν τοῦ βασιλέως, τά τε περὶ τὴν ἄλλην δίαιταν τοῦ σώματος διακονεῖσθαι βασιλεῖ καὶ κοιμώμενον φυλάσσειν τούτοις ἐπετέτραπτο. καὶ ὁπότε ἐξελαύνοι βασιλεύς, τοὺς ἵππους παρὰ τῶν ἱπποκόμων δεχόμενοι ἐκεῖνοι προσῆγον καὶ ἀνέβαλλον οὗτοι βασιλέα τὸν Περσικὸν τρόπον καὶ τῆς ἐπὶ θήρᾳ φιλοτιμίας βασιλεῖ κοινωνοὶ ἦσαν.
Helikian emeirakieuonto means when they had reached the age of a meirakion, which is between thirteen and twenty so they entry to the corps was about thirteen, if Curtius is being strictly accurate when he calls Philip ‘iuvenis’ then he has moved on from the Pages as ‘iuvenis’
II. Subst.: jŭvĕnis , is, comm., one who is in the flower of his or her age (mostly of persons older than adolescentes and younger than seniores, i. e. between twenty and forty years
Thus, Lewis and Short. The Latin equivalent of meirakion was ‘adolescens’.

The ‘graduation date ‘ from the Pages may have been ‘ephebia’ at 18 or even 16 when an Athenian boy became kyrios and legally self-sufficient our sources do not say.

It is crucial to use the Latin when the Latin is not directly equivalent to the Greek. We can all agree that ‘armiger’ = Hypaspist and ‘custos corporis’ = one of the agema or one of the seven, preserving the ambiguity of the Greek usage.

Despite your best efforts you must see that it is an assumption that ‘Nobiles iuvenes comitari eum soliti’ refers to the Pages. The age group is wrong, this is combat not a hunt, so being on foot is wrong. That Philip is armed and armoured shows this is not a hunting party. I was too general with the term ‘agema’ to be precise I would say he was a member of that sub-set of the agema known as ‘toi amph’auton hetairoi’, for which Curtius’ phrase does seem a reasonable translation, assuming he had better knowledge from his sources about the age of its members’ age.

It is obvious that the Pages could not move to supply a whole chiliarchia nor even a pentekosiarchia, they could, however move on to the amph’auton hetairoi which was a more select body. Indeed it would have been impossible and counter-productive for a Page to move onto service as an officer in the Cavalry of the Companions. Until Susa the Companions were organised, like the ordinary phalanx, ‘kata ethne’ which would mean returning the hostages to their fathers’ control, foisting an Elimiote boy on Orestan troopers would be a recipe for fatal disorder and resentment; remember that this was an army that drew lots for the position that units took in the line, which speaks of intense rivalry as much as parity of quality.

The Pages may already have served in the Ile Basilikon; Aretas, of whom Alexander demands a xyston at Granikos is described as I 15 vi
ὁ δὲ Ἀρέτην ᾔτει δόρυ ἕτερον, ἀναβολέα τῶν βασιλικῶν
anabole, helping the king to mount, is listed at, IV 13 above, as one of the duties of a Pais basilikon. Only the Hypaspists remain as royal standing troops.

Now let us consider these ‘principes Macedonicum’; the conspirators are listed by Arrian and Curtius with patronymics Arr IV XIII gives
Hermolaos son of Sopolis
Sostratos son of Amyntas
Antipatros son of Asklepiodoros who had been satrap of Syria
Epimenes son of Arseas
Antikles son of Theokritos
Philotas son of Karsis the Thracian
Charikles son of Menandros
Eurylochos brother of Epimenes son of Arseas

This hardly reads as a gazeteer of the great and good, Sopolis may be the Ilarch and there is one ex-satrap’s son (Asklepiodoros is appointed at III 6, At the same time as a Menandros was appointed to Lydia, who may be Charikles’ father) . Karsis must be a novus homo, but he is certainly an anonymous one.

Principes and nobiles were not sub-sets of one or the other, in fact the nobiles would be the smaller group; the nobiles are prominent based on their lineage ie blood, and none without the bloodline can be nobilis, the principes base their rank on their actions and as a group are open to all.

The correspondence of the run up to the Dymnos Conspiracy is interesting and I'll post later on it.
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agesilaos wrote:Despite your best efforts you must see that it is an assumption that ‘Nobiles iuvenes comitari eum soliti’ refers to the Pages. The age group is wrong, this is combat not a hunt, so being on foot is wrong. That Philip is armed and armoured shows this is not a hunting party. I was too general with the term ‘agema’ to be precise I would say he was a member of that sub-set of the agema known as ‘toi amph’auton hetairoi’, for which Curtius’ phrase does seem a reasonable translation, assuming he had better knowledge from his sources about the age of its members’ age.
ἀμφ' αὐτόν ἑταῖροι "Companions about him" (though περί, would be better)? Are you positing a sub group of the agema composed of those in the flower of their manhood? Can you suggest any examples? The only possibilities I can call to mind are Hydaspes and Thebes. Hydaspes, I think, is quite muddled - especially as the two divisions of the phalanx taken are missed entirely in the line.
agesilaos wrote:The Pages may already have served in the Ile Basilikon; Aretas, of whom Alexander demands a xyston at Granikos is described as I 15 vi
ὁ δὲ Ἀρέτην ᾔτει δόρυ ἕτερον, ἀναβολέα τῶν βασιλικῶν
anabole, helping the king to mount, is listed at, IV 13 above, as one of the duties of a Pais basilikon. Only the Hypaspists remain as royal standing troops.
There is the other, rather inexplicable, passage in Arrian during Gaugamela:
Some of the chariots also passed through the Macedonian lines [...] These chariots , too, were siezed by the grooms (ἱπποκόμοι) of Alexander's army and the royal shield bearers (ὑπασπισταὶ οἱ βασιλικοὶ).


Now there is no reason why the hypaspists would be in the rear: Arrian has described them as abutting the Companion cavalry in the line. Also, hippokomoi is entirely different to the term used of Aretes. Aretes is described as one of those who helps the king to mount - indeed a duty of a page. These others are generically described as grooms. The distinction, to my mind, is that these latter are ecatly that: "stable hands" and menial workers posted at the rear. That leaves the extremely odd fact that Arrian associates the hypaspists in the rear with them. Heckel may be right in suggesting an error here - either in the source or transmission - for paides basilikoi. The only other remotely possible solution is that Arrian (or his source) refers to the reaward ranks. Immediately after this, though, those hypaspists are forming the "spear point" of the infantry and cavalry wedge that Alexander attacks with.

On the Aretis passage, it is interesting to note Alexander's ἑταίρων Demaratus. Clearly he cannot be a "principal Macedonian" and his sons are excluded from the school of pages?!

As to whether the paides basilikoi could supply and reinforce a sub unit of the hypaspists (a pentikosiarchy), that all comes down to just what its numbers were. Once formed, such a unit would need reinforcing rather than wholesale replacement. Heckel sees this unit as composed of those in the "flower of their manhood", agreeing with your definition above. Far from serving "out their lives as ordinary infantrymen" they serve a portion of their career - whilst in this "flowering" - in the king's personal foot guard. Notables such as Hephaestion and Seleucus command them: a proper class of individual to so do as opposed to the more non-descript Attahrias, for example, in the "regular" hypaspists. Like the Companion cavalry, the sons of the nobility moved through this unit on the way to the cavalry and other commands.
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 Are you positing a sub group of the agema composed of those in the flower of their manhood?
Yes I think I am, and having just re-read Heckel's essay in 'Marshals' it seems that is really what he is arguing, only he has not quite grasped the nettle.

Demaratos of Korinth, was a naturalised Macedonian and therefore his sons would be eligible to become Pages.

Gaugamela is interesting, supposing that the text is correct then Alexander would be withdrawing a small elite but inexperienced unit to perform a crucial duty in tandem with men they must have had a relationship to from their recent time as Pages; men who would need a stiffening to be effective perhaps. The error 'hypaspistai' for 'paides' seems paleographically improbable to me.

I would posit a hypaspist organisation of three chiliarchia one of which is the 'agema' in general and one unit of that comprises the 'hetairoi amph'auton' possibly called 'hoi hetairoi amphoi ton basileon' possibly only one hekatostyes of 256, five year groups of 49 would keep it fed - 13-18 Page 18-23 hetairos.

Further, the detail in Curtius' account of the Conspiracy of the Pages, suggests that there were seven groups of seven pages Arrian lists seven conspirators and the groups guard duty falls seven days after the foiled first attempt. This in turn suggests that each group may have had one of the Seven Somatophylakes as its leader/mentor, Arrian has Ptolemy alone receive news of the plot, whether Leonnatos appears in Curtius as a dramatic device or is absent from Ptolemy's account out of the old Lagid's petulance one cannot say.

There must have been some organisation
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agesilaos wrote:

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 Are you positing a sub group of the agema composed of those in the flower of their manhood?
Yes I think I am, and having just re-read Heckel's essay in 'Marshals' it seems that is really what he is arguing, only he has not quite grasped the nettle.
There is very scant evidence for such though. Aside from the several "somatophylakes and hypaspists" there are the many attestations of the agema and the rest of the hypspists (such variations) and then there are the clear battle line descriptions. Arrian seems to have taken care with these. Where he does make a distinction is Issus, Guagamela and Hydaspes: τε ἄγημα καὶ τοὺς ὑπασπιστάς; τὸ ἄγημα ἐτέτακτο τῶν ὑπασπιστῶν καὶ ἐπὶ τούτῳ οἱ ἄλλοι ὑπασπισταί; ὑπασπιστὰς τοὺς βασιλικούς, ὧν ἡγεῖτο Σέλευκος [...] τὸ ἄγημα τὸ βασιλικόν [...] τοὺς ἄλλους ὑπασπιστάς. So we have the agema and the hypaspists; the agema of the hypaspists and the rest of the hypaspists; the royal hypaspists under Seleucus, the "royal" agema and the other hypaspists. This last seems a muddle for the two pezhetairoi brigades are missing from this line. The other two make no distinction other than agema and hypaspists. There is also Diodorus telling us that Hephaestion was wounded commanding the 'somatophylakes'. This this not the "Seven" but rather the agema or your subset (just as Seleucus at Hydaspes).

Then there is Thebes where we have the agema and the royal hypaspists (1.8.3). "Agema" being an emendation of "agemata". Hammond cites these two passages (Thebes and Hydaspes) to prove a sub unit, an "agema of the Makedones". Yet Arrian immediately reverts to normal service at 1.8.4 when he noted the Macedonian retreat to the "agema of the Macedonians and the royal hypaspists". One needs to decide if "royal hypaspists" is a distinct unit to the hypaspists. This is difficult given the sheer number of differing ways Arrian refers to these units (somatophylakes/agema/heataroi and "other hypaspists"/hypaspists/royal hypaspists. The lad is awfully confusing if not confused.
agesilaos wrote:Demaratos of Korinth, was a naturalised Macedonian and therefore his sons would be eligible to become Pages.
If "naturalised" applied. But, yes, I agree as with the Thracian. My point was if Xenophon's restricted "franchise" to the school of pages applies where does on draw the distinction? If we have a severely restricted entry and Demaratus' son is accepted (as, clearly, was the Thracian's), how many disjointed Macedonian noses do we have at a mere Corinthian's son - and worse, a Thracian's son - being granted such an honour over them?
agesilaos wrote: The error 'hypaspistai' for 'paides' seems paleographically improbable to me.
With which I'd agree but something is clearly amiss with this. If we accept that your sub group of the agema corresponds to Curtius' description of those young nobles on foot with Philip (and I agree if not the number) then it is hardly possible that this close personal guard is sent away from the king to the rear to deal with corralled chariots.It is also impossible that the hypaspists were sent to the rear: the battle line up does not support it. Your sub unit would be those troops Lane Fox has running with hoplite style shields with the cavalry at Gaugamela.
agesilaos wrote:I would posit a hypaspist organisation of three chiliarchia one of which is the 'agema' in general and one unit of that comprises the 'hetairoi amph'auton' possibly called 'hoi hetairoi amphoi ton basileon' possibly only one hekatostyes of 256, five year groups of 49 would keep it fed - 13-18 Page 18-23 hetairos.
Interesting but I will wait on that.
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Waldemar Heckel long ago suggested that the Macedonian nobility had its own form of cursus honorum, with progression through the ranks of ‘hoi paides basilikoi’ followed by a stint in the ‘agema’ of the hypaspists before moving on to higher office.

Heckel recognised that members of the Hypaspist corps could be termed ‘hetairoi’ but rather than see these as a separate body within the corps he seems to consider this merely an artefact of the varied terminology favoured by Classical style. This is certainly a reasonable assumption, those who attempt to foist constitutions and increasingly complex socio-military groups upon the conventionally, ‘Homeric’ kingdom of Macedonia can be shown to have read far too much into what is simply a varied vocabulary. That said, I am now going to propose that those hypaspists who are termed ‘hetairoi’ or, more fully, ‘hoi hetairoi amph’auton’(henceforth HHAA), did form a distinct group within the ranks of the ‘agema’ of the hypaspists. Previously I had thought that this phrase denoted that section of the ‘agema’ charged with the daily duty of protecting the King and that this function was shared by the whole of the ‘agema’. I now, contend that HHAA were that daily guard detachment but that they were drawn not from the whole ‘agema’ but from those graduating Pages who were collectively termed ‘hetairoi’, possibly further defined by ‘basilikoi’.

Textual support for this thesis is, as usual, scant; it is further complicated by the problems of using a Latin author to supplement the evidence of the Greek ones. If the Greek sources do not call the same unit by the same name, how certain can we be that Curtius is using a consistent system of rendering what he found in his sources.

Despite a casual perception of rhetoricism and confused battle narratives, Curtius is much more consistent with his terminology than Arrian; ‘armiger’ is used for Hypaspist, ‘custodis corporis’ is more ambiguous but this is due to his sources’ usage of ‘somatophylax’, as in Arrian it applies sometimes to the Seven and sometimes to the ‘agema’ but also, unlike Arrian, to the ‘ile basilikos’ or the ‘agema hippeon’. Curtius almost certainly used both Ptolemy and Kleitarchos as his main sources and he found technical terms in both as passages which are certainly not Ptolemaic can be shown to use technical terms. This has implications for the value of Diodoros’ technical details.

A group that has not been pinned down are Curtius’ ‘noblisssimi iuvenes’. They have frequently been identified with the Pages but ‘iuvenis’ does not fit with the age range of the Pages. It is true that Curtius does use the term for the Pages, but these are examples of the variation demanded by good style, Heckel gives VIII 6 viii
7 Igitur Hermolaus, puer nobilis ex regia cohorte, cum aprum telo occupasset, quem rex ferire destinaverat, iussu eius verberibus adfectus est. Quam ignominiam aegre ferens deflere apud Sostratum coepit: ex eadem cohorte erat Sostratus, amore eius ardens. 8 Qui cum laceratum corpus, in quo deperibat, intueretur, forsitan olim ob aliam quoque causam regi infestus, iuvenem sua sponte iam motum data fide acceptaque perpulit, ut occidendi regem consilium secum iniret. 9 Nec puerili impetu rem executi sunt:
Hermolaus is referred to as ‘iuvenis’ but in the previous verse he is ‘puer’ and in the subsequent he does not act ‘puerili impetu’, -with childish precipitation- this looks like variation as style to me. He further mentions 6 xxv
Callisthenen non ut participem facinoris nominatum esse constabat, sed solitum puerorum sermonibus vituperantium criminantiumque regem faciles aures praebere. 25 Quidam adiciunt, cum Hermolaus apud eum quoque verberatum se a rege quereretur, dixisse Callisthenen, meminisse debere eos iam viros esse: idque ad consolandam patientiam verberum an ad incitandum iuvenum dolorem dictum esset, in ambiguo fuisse.
Once again the Pages have been termed ‘pueri’ in the preceding verse, and even ‘vires’ by Callisthenes! Curtius’ use of ‘iuvenes’ here, is slightly more than variation, he is contradicting Callisthenes’ flattery but gently; Callisthenes is a victim in Curtius’ story and the milder contrast of ‘vires’ and ‘iuvenes’ rather than ‘pueri’ serves to deflect the ridiculous claim that the Pages were ‘men’ as Alexander puts it at 8 iii
servis quoque pueros huius aetatis verberare concedimus
we even allow slaves to beat boys of his age
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If Pages are ‘pueri’ then the ‘noblissimi iuvenes’ must be another body, one whose duties are mentioned by Curtius in the Philip brother of Lysimachos incident VIII 2 xxxv; they accompany the King on foot and in arms it seems that this body is the subject of this passage, VIII 11 ixff
9 Intra septimum diem cavernas expleverant, cum rex sagittarios et Agrianos iubet per ardua niti: iuvenesque promptissimos ex sua cohorte XXX delegit. 10 Duces his dati sunt Charus et Alexander, quem rex nominis, quod sibi cum eo commune esset, admonuit. Ac primo, quia tam manifestum periculum erat, ipsum regem discrimen subire non placuit: 11 sed ut signum tuba datum est, vir audaciae promptae conversus ad p215corporis custodes sequi se iubet primusque invadit in rupem. Nec deinde quisquam Macedonum substitit relictisque stationibus sua sponte regem sequebantur. 12 Multorum miserabilis fuit casus, quos ex praerupta rupe lapsos amnis praeterfluens hausit, triste spectaculum etiam non periclitantibus: cum vero alieno exitio, quid ipsis timendum foret, admonerentur, in metum misericordia versa non extinctos, sed semetipsos deflebant. 13 Et iam eo perventum erat, unde sine pernicie nisi victores redire non possent, ingentia saxa in subeuntes provolventibus barbaris, quis perculsiº instabili et lubrico gradu praecipites recidebant. 14 Evaserant tamen Alexander et Charus, quos cum XXX delectis praemiserat rex, et iam pugnare comminus coeperant: sed cum superne tela barbari ingererent, saepius ipsi feriebantur quam vulnerabant. 15 Ergo Alexander et nominis sui et promissi memor, dum acrius quam cautius dimicat, confossus undique obruitur. 16 Quem ut Charus iacentem conspexit, ruere in hostem omnium praeter ultionem immemor coepit multosque hasta, quosdam gladio interemit. Sed cum tot unum incesserent manus, super amici corpus procubuit exanimis. 17 Haud secus, quam par erat, promptissimorum iuvenum ceterorumque militum interitu commotus rex signum receptui dedit.

In this way before the seventh day they had wholly filled the caverns, when the king ordered the archers and the Agriani to try to mount the heights. Also he chose thirty of the most active iuvenes from his own cohort. As leaders he gave them Charus and Alexander, and the king exhorted the latter to remember the name which he had in common with himself. And, at first, because the danger was so evident, the king himself decided not to run the risk, but when the signal was given by the trumpet, that prince of ready daring, turning to his Guards, ordered them to follow him and was the first to climb upon the rock. Then not one of the Macedonians stayed behind, but leaving their posts of their own accord, they followed the king. Many met a wretched death for they slipped from the steep rock, and the river which flowed by swallowed them up, a sad sight even for those who were not at the moment in danger; but when by the death of others they were reminded what they themselves had to fear, compassion changing to dread, they lamented not the dead, but themselves.
And now they had gone so far that except as victors, they could not return without destruction, since the barbarians were rolling down huge stones upon them as they went up, and when they were struck by these while their footing was unsteady and slipping, they fell back headlong. Nevertheless Alexander and Charus, whom the king had sent ahead with thirty picked men, had gained the height and were already fighting hand to hand; but since the barbarians showered them with javelins from above, they themselves were wounded more often than they inflicted wounds. Therefore Alexander, remembering his name and his promise, while fighting more fearlessly than cautiously, was struck from every side and overwhelmed. When Charus saw him lying prostrate, unmindful of everything but revenge he began to rush upon the enemy and killed many with his lance, some with his sword; but when so many assailed one man, he fell lifeless upon the body of his friend. The king, troubled as was natural by the deaths of these most valiant iuvenes and the rest of his soldiers gave the signal to retreat.
The parallel passage in Arrian is IV30
ON the first day his army constructed the mound the length of a stade; and on the following day the slingers shooting at the Indians from the part already finished, assisted by the missiles which were hurled from the military engines, repulsed the sallies which they made against the men who were constructing the mound. He went on with the work for three days without intermission, and on the fourth day a few of the Macedonians forcing their way occupied a small eminence which was on a level with the rock. Without taking any rest, Alexander went on with the mound, being desirous of connecting his artificial rampart with the eminence which the few men were now occupying for him. But then the Indians, being alarmed at the indescribable audacity of the Macedonians, who had forced their way to the eminence, and seeing that the mound was already united with it, desisted from attempting any longer to resist. They sent their herald to Alexander, saying that they were willing to surrender the rock, if he would grant them a truce. But they had formed the design of wasting the day by continually delaying the ratification of the truce, and of scattering themselves in the night with the view of escaping one by one to their own abodes. When Alexander discovered this plan of theirs, he allowed them time to commence their retreat, and to remove the guard which was placed all round the place. He remained quiet until they began their retreat; then taking 7oo of the body-guards( somatophylakes) and shield-bearing infantry(hypaspists), he was the first to scale the rock at the part of it abandoned by the enemy; and the Macedonians ascended after him, one in one place another in another, drawing each other up. These men at the concerted signal turned themselves upon the retreating barbarians, and killed many of them in their flight. Others retreating with panic terror perished by leaping down the precipices; and thus the rock which had been inexpugnable to Heracles was occupied by Alexander. He offered sacrifice upon it, and arranged a fort, committing the superintendence of the garrison to Sisicottus, who long before had deserted from the Indians to Bessus in Bactra, and after Alexander had acquired possession of the country of Bactria, entered his army and appeared to be eminently trustworthy.
At chapter 28 Alexander’s force is described, ‘He then took the bowmen, the Agrianians, and the brigade of Coenus, and selecting the most nimble as well as the best-armed men from the rest of the phalanx, with 200 of the Companion cavalry and zoo horse-bowmen, he advanced to the rock.’ The very next chapter Ptolemy takes command of some hypaspists, so we have to add them to the list although they may be subsumed by ‘the most nimble as well as the best-armed men from the rest of the phalanx’, where ‘phalanx’ means all of the infantry capable of standing in the line of battle.

It has been suggested that Arrian’s ‘somatophylakes’ are the Seven and that each took command of 100 hypaspists; this is not just simplistic but demonstrably wrong, Perdikkas and Hephaistion were both absent bridging the Indus, nor were there 100 man units in the Macedonian army. For that matter there is no 700 unit either, I incline towards this being a scribal error ‘hepta’ for ‘pente’ or, it might just represent a regular Hypaspist pentkosiarchia and a hekatostyes of the agema, here ‘somatophylakes’ possibly that of the ‘hetairoi’ if we are to give force to Curtius’ description of ‘iuvenesque promptissimos ex sua cohorte’.

If we accept, for the moment that this body did exist, then certain passages are illuminated by the theory. Theopompos’ witticism that Philip’s hetairoi were more like hetairai (his Companions were rather Hookers) makes sense if he was referring to this putative body of former Pages, there were evidently homosexual pairings in both groups. The general ‘hetairoi’ who, with their households, formed the Cavalry of the Companions (‘hoi hippeis ton hetairon’) were for the most part hardmen, not the fliberty-gibberts implied by ‘hetairai’. The ‘hetairoi amph’auton’, however were part of the modernised Court, and probably instituted by Philip II, which would explain why he is credited with the institution of the Pages (who seem to have an older pedigree), the distinction between the Pages and their subsequent service as ‘hetairoi’ was not clear to the Greeks.

Something too can now be made of Curtius’ claim that the Pages ‘Haec cohors velut seminarium ducum praefectorumque apud Macedonas fuit’ Haec cohors velut seminarium ducum praefectorumque apud Macedonas fuit’ VII 6 vi, - a school for the leaders and satraps of the Macedonians – Arrian frequently characterises the satraps and other officials that Alexander appoints as ‘ho hetairos’

(I 17, Pausanias, epimeletes of the acropolis of Sardis,
II 12, Leonattos, and Hephaistion ptol/aristo version and Kleitarchan visit to the captured Persian Queen,
II 27, Neoptolemos first to mount wall of Gaza,
III 5, Pantaleon, phrourarch of Memphis,Polemo phrouarch of Pelusion, Eugnostos son of Xenophantos, grammateus of the mercenaries,
III 6, Menandros,satrap of Lydia,
III 16 Mazaros phrouarch of citadel of Susa,
III 22, Tlepolemos son of Pythophanos organizes baggage on journey from Parthia to Hyrkania,
III 25, Anaxippos left with forty hippokontistai to guard passage of troops through Sogdia,
III 26 Polydamas, murderer of Parmenion,
III 28, Erygios and Karanos sent to fight Satibarzanes, Neiloxenos son of Satyros episcopon of the soldiers,
III 29, Archelaos son of Androkles prourarch of Aornos, Stasanor sent to be satrap of Areia,
IV 12, Leonattos and Demetrios son of Pythonax, both present at the proskynesis experiment,
IV 22 Nikanor set to regulate city of Alexandria,
IV 28, Nikanor, satrap of hither India,
VII 18, Apollodoros of Amphipolis, strategos of Babylon garrison

For the most part these men are given minor military posts, phrouarchia or command of garrisons in eight out of nineteen cases, two others supervise baggage trains, two lead an expedition, three become satraps, one after organising a city. Most of this looks like the first step in the administration rather than posts suitable for landed grandees. Certainly we can eliminate Menandros, who had a child of about ten when he was appointed in 331, as his son became a Page in 328, he was probably thirtyish, too old to be a graduated Page. Demetrios and Leonattos, at IV 12 were both members of the Seven, Arrian notes Leonattos’ elevation in place of Arrybas, who had died at III 5, and Demetrios is arrested for complicity in Philotas’ crime and is replaced by Ptolemy Lagou at III 27 v. this may be a Greek source’s error, the Demetrios tale is given as a logos and it is uncertain whence comes that of Leonattos.

We also have the ‘hetairoi’ sent to scout Dareios’ advance at Issos by triakonter and the presence of a group of ‘hetairoi’ at the war-council, the first is a task suitable for young men on the Staff; formerly I saw these as two of the Seven but it would be a massive duplication of effort to send two of these high rankers, whereas the report of a twenty something could well be improved by two sets of eyes. If the ‘hetairoi’ at the council are not the Seven, as I have argued elsewhere, then the personal guard of the king makes more sense than either the generality of the cavalry or their leaders, besides the ilarchs, who are noted separately. In which case Arrian’s list is not strictly hierarchical but the ‘hetairoi’ owe their position to their association with the king ie one should read at Ii 16 viii
αὐτὸς δὲ συναγαγὼν τούς τε ἑταίρους καὶ τοὺς ἡγεμόνας τῆς στρατιᾶς καὶ ταξιάρχας καὶ ἰλάρχας ἔλεξεν ὧδε
He called together his personal guards and the leaders of the soldiers, both the infantry commanders and the cavalry commanders, speaking thus.

Also at the Polytimetos IV 6 I Andromachus, Menedemus, and Karanos are described as ‘τοὺς δὲ Μακεδόνας τε εἶναι καὶ ἑταίρους βασιλέως’ – not merely Macedonians but Royal Companions – Karanos was mentioned as a ‘hetairos’ at III 28, where Erygios’ own hetairate may be the artefact of an inferred distributive when the ‘twn hetairwn’ applies only to Karanos ( Curtius describes Erygios as ‘gravis aetate’ and ‘canietes’- heavy with age and white-haired). The action, or rather inaction of these three suits three tyros better than three experienced men.

Which all brings us to Diodoros’ description of the person to whom Eurylochos turns, Curtius’ Metron, as a page while Curtius calls him a ‘iuvenis nobilis’; is it good method to assume that Diodoros, who scarcely uses a technical term, has had a sudden advent of accuracy, and from that decide that Curtius’ ‘iuvenis nobilis’ means Page here when elsewhere it clearly does not? We can decide on a little more than which author we think the more consistent. Metron is in charge of weapons in the armoury, this is nowhere given as a duty assigned to a ‘Pais Basilikos’.
When you think about, it free-choice is the only possible option.
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Paralus wrote:
Xenophon wrote:Curtius' language does not, I believe translate as "sons of Macedonian nobles" ( the word 'nobiles' is not used here) but rather, as has been referred to, Curtius says "principum Macedoniae" = principal/foremost Macedonians - The Loeb translates as "chief men"- which is obviously a much smaller group than just 'nobles' generally, and then goes on to describe the duties of this small (50) select group whose fathers were the 50 foremost men in Macedonia.
Xenophon wrote:It was therefore open only to the highest, as is re-inforced by Curtius' reference to 'principum Macedoniae'[ lit: principal Macedonians]. The distinction is obvious, and certainly not meaningless.
The distinction being made is simply between Macedonians (6,000 of whom have also come) and noble Macedonians - the king's "Friends" as Diodorus calls them. I would see it as dangerous practise to generalise from a single attestation (from the same source) the fact that the paides were only 50 and that they were the sons of a tightly restricted sub-class of "Friends" only ever restricted to fifty. That is a rather sweeping claim based on flimsy material. One might just as easily reverse the logic and argue that, since there is only the one notice of pages sent east and that only 50, the numbers of the group only supported the one lot of fifty!


Some confusion here, I think ? The distinction made at Curtius V.1.40-42 is between "6,000 Macedonian foot-soldiers" and "50 adult sons of Macedonia's chief men for a body-guard", who are then described as carrying out the duties of the paides, thus confirming this is who are being described here. The fifty sons obviously have only 50 fathers, who are thus a pretty select group, a sub-set if you will, of Macedon's 'nobles', bearing in mind that these did not just consist of native noble families, but also those appointed 'King's Companions/Hetairoi' including Greeks, Thracians, Epirots etc, who are given land etc on their appointment by the King.
[digression: although some of the sources use the term 'Friends/Philoi' for these men, in reality this term for those close to the King seems to have been a later one, used more by Hellenistic Kings, with 'Hetairoi' being the more common term in Philip and Alexander's day. Perhaps the change to 'philoi' came about to avoid confusion between 'hetairoi/King's companions' literally, and members of the synedroi, and 'hetairoi'/companion cavalrymen ?]
That these pages were limited only to the sons of the "principal Macedonians" is another swingeing generalsiation based on a toothpick and the evidence more than suggests otherwise. Amongst those involved in the pages' conspiracy is one Philotas. Arrian (4.13.4) supplies his details: "Philotas, son of Karsis, the Thracian". There are non Macedonian hetairoi attested under Philip and Alexander. Nothing can presume that this Thracian was the only non Macedonian page. As well, Alexander married 100 (Plut. Mor. 1.7, 329E) of "the most prominent of his Friends" (to use Diodorus, 17.107.6) or hetairoi (Arrian) to Persian women. There is no reason to posit only 50 pages or fifty Macedonians priviledged to supply such.
Which evidence would that be, that suggests otherwise ? I don't posit that only 50 Macedonians were eligible to supply their sons as paides - perhaps I did not make this clear - simply that, as Curtius says, the 50 fathers were among the 'principal Macedonians/chief men'. Since as well as the priviledged training leading potentially to a good career, the paides were also subtle hostages for their family's good behaviour, the choice of who to select will have been based on a number of factors. However, since it is only amongst the more powerful magnates, among the Hetairoi , whether native noble or appointment of the King, that any threat could arise it is no surprise that among the concentric circles of Macedonian society, the paides were selected from the innermost circles - the 'principal Macedonians/Chief men'.

As to Philotas, son of a Thracian, see my remarks above regarding the choice of Hetairoi. Significantly, despite having a Thracian father, his name is purely Macedonian. He likely will have been a 'second generation' Macedonian, son of a migrant introduced and appointed 'Hetairos' by Philip II, and given he has a Macedonian name, we might guess at a possible Macedonian mother....and I would agree that he was probably not the only non-native Macedonian paide, but we do not know the particular reason for his selection, save perhaps that in his case it was unlikely to be as 'hostage', his father being 'novus' and foreign.....

The fact that there were more than 100 'Hetairoi' ( in the sense of councillors/synedroi rather than the titular sense of Macedonian heavy cavalry) is a case of irrelevant reasoning, for it pre-supposes that all such were former paides, and I don't know of any solid evidence for this proposition, do you ? It is just, AFIK, unsupported conjecture by Heckel.... ( and see below)
Had Curtius been making this distinction and so "going on to describe the duties of this small (50) select group" (and I do not believe he is) one is left to wonder why, at 8.2.35, he does not describe them as this select group as such if he has made such a distinction.
But he does make such a distinction. He refers to "the young nobles who were accustomed to attend him" - clearly a select group. Further, Phillipus is described as 'newly adult' ( primum adultus) linking back to the earlier description of "adult sons" (see above)
Supposing that Alexander (or any king) could not leave Macedonia without taking all the pages does not wash. This is the only attestation of pages arriving in the east. It is hindsight to think that Alexander took all the pages because he knew he'd be away from Macedonia for an extended period. It is far more likely (as Hammond and others have suggested) that no pages were brought east until Alexander was confident of the outcome of the expedition: the defeat of the enemy. This is precisely the point in the campaign that we have the first and only recorded draft of these individuals. That this was the entire corps is nowhere stated and doubtful. I'm in agreement with those who see this draft as the older year class(es).
I'd agree entirely with the above, but we must be careful with definitions here. Let me begin by saying that it is now established through epigraphic evidence that military service in Macedon began at 15 and ended at 55, and there were rules so that only one adult male served at a time when there was more than one such in a family.
( see Hatzopoulos "Macedonian Institutions" and "The Macedonian Army"; and Errington "Recent research in Ancient Macedonia". Whilst most of this epigraphic evidence comes from Antigonid times, it is reasonable to suppose that 'ancient' traditions will not have altered in the meantime, especially those related to the army ). The 'epheboi/adolescents' age group in Macedon was 18-20 years old, and thereafter they were 'neoi' until age 30. The epheboi generally trained in gymnasia, and stayed on as members until age 22.

With the above in mind, we can now perhaps make more sense of the institution. The sons of the nobility, like everyone else, will have commenced their military service/training at 15. They then go on to further training as ephebes, before some are selected to wait on the King as "Paides Basilikoi" ( note that Curtius describes the 50 as 'adult' i.e. 20 year-olds, and Phillipus is 'primum adultum' ).
If we define "paides basilikoi" as those who wait upon the King, then indeed there are only 50 of them, and they are newly adult men . This explains too why Curtius calls them 'iuvenis nobilis'[noble adolescents ; young men, generally in Roman terms 20-40 yr olds - and an appropriate latin equivalent of 'neoi'].
Xenophon wrote: but without any evidence to counter what Theopompus et al have to say, namely that they were selected for height and strength from all the Makedones. This is pure rhetoric, unless you support it with some evidence.
Theopompus refers only to the pezhetairoi. It is widely assumed, and I agree, that this is the unit that later became known as the hypaspists under Alexader (at the latest). Theopompus makes no distinction of any sub group within these guard troop and is referring to the entire corps rather than what we later know as the agema.
Xenophon wrote:Are we to assume, then, that the bulk of Macedon's nobles were content serve out their lives as ordinary infantrymen, albeit with the privilege of guarding the King ? Here, inter alia, Heckel's proposition falls down.
Neither I nor Heckel have anywhere suggested that these scions of the nobility are to "serve out their lives as ordinary infantrymen"; this is a "red herring" or, more pertinently, a straw man argument . Perhaps you might re-read Heckel's chapter in "Marshals".
Alas, I don't have access to Heckel's "Marshals", but with his 'corpus honorum' hypothesis, under discussion here, the evidence is in.
For once, we now have a reasonably decisive answer to an enigmatic question, as to whether the Hypaspists generally, and the Agema specifically, were made up of nobles, or whether they were picked citizens from the whole of Macedonia, as the evidence of Theopompus and the anecdote regarding the feast suggest.

To quote Errington's epigraphical evidence:

"The basic unit of recruitment was the “fire-unit” (pyrokausis) a new word, and these were established with a significant amount of bureaucracy, being recruited, it seems, by the epistatai[magistrates] of the cities, for those who lived in city areas. There was also centrally kept lists (diagraphai) run by a royal official (ho epi tas diagraphas) registering the pyrokauseis and their members. As far as the distribution of the troops into individual units was concerned, we have here new evidence for a social selection, the poorest men being brigaded into the phalanx infantry.[ on a territorial basis] The special units, the royal agema, the peltasts or the hypaspistai were selected according to social criteria from the better-off [citizens].
[ On a Macedon- wide basis, as Theopompus says, in order to create elite, permanent, units].
Age also played a role. The agema was recruited from older men, with a cut-off point at 45, except for particularly fit individuals, whereas the peltasts were not older than 35."

This latter evidence is consistent with the relatively contemporary evidence of Theopompus.
Xenophon wrote:I am certainly not suggesting that all Hetairoi cavalry had been paides! Nor even that the 'Ile Basilikoi' were all former paides. Simply that on completion of their training, the likely unit they would have joined ( perhaps only a dozen or so 'graduates' at a time or less) would have been the 'Ile Basilikoi', which numbered several hundred. I agree with you that Philip's policy had been to expand his 'Hetairoi' cavalry by all means - and that included granting pasturage land and horses to non- Macedonians.......it is equally incorrect to assume all 'Hetairoi' had been paides, as to assume the whole Agema of Hypapsists had been.....
No one suggested that all hetairoi had been pages. What I've been at pains to point out is that Philip saw the need to expand his hetairoi. Early in his reign it numbered something like 800 and, as most agree, it numbered some 3,300 at the time of Alexander's expedition. One can hardly suppose that Antipater replaced the 1,300 hetairoi taken by Alexander as reinforcements by simply throwing open Macedonian "hetairoi-ship". Nor can one think that Alexander did so (though he would later when integrating Persians thus following his father's lead in Asia). The natural conclusion is that the expanded hetairoi would seek to maintain its ranks from their own sons. That these sons went through the Macedonian "agoge" is just as natural. And, were I one your excluded hetairoi, I would certainly be asking the question why the son of a Thracian was accorded this priveledge and opportunity for high rank and not mine
I would largely agree with this. However, Macedonian military training seems to have more in common with Athenian 'epheboi' than Spartan 'agoge', though with elements of both perhaps. Nor in ancient Macedon would you be asking questions about the King's selection openly, for to do so was to question the King's judgement and hence treachery. As a 'Makedone' of a noble family, you would accept that you were not of the innermost concentric circle of being one of the King's 'close friends', though you might aspire to be one some day. OTOH, if you were ambitious enough, you might just scheme to replace the Argead dynasty.....
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Agesilaos wrote:
Arrian IV 13 I details the age and duties of the ‘paides’
ἐκ Φιλίππου ἦν ἤδη καθεστηκὸς τῶν ἐν τέλει Μακεδόνων τοὺς παῖδας ὅσοι ἐς ἡλικίαν ἐμειρακιεύοντο καταλέγεσθαι ἐς θεραπείαν τοῦ βασιλέως, τά τε περὶ τὴν ἄλλην δίαιταν τοῦ σώματος διακονεῖσθαι βασιλεῖ καὶ κοιμώμενον φυλάσσειν τούτοις ἐπετέτραπτο. καὶ ὁπότε ἐξελαύνοι βασιλεύς, τοὺς ἵππους παρὰ τῶν ἱπποκόμων δεχόμενοι ἐκεῖνοι προσῆγον καὶ ἀνέβαλλον οὗτοι βασιλέα τὸν Περσικὸν τρόπον καὶ τῆς ἐπὶ θήρᾳ φιλοτιμίας βασιλεῖ κοινωνοὶ ἦσαν.
Helikian emeirakieuonto means when they had reached the age of a meirakion, which is between thirteen and twenty so they entry to the corps was about thirteen, if Curtius is being strictly accurate when he calls Philip ‘iuvenis’ then he has moved on from the Pages as ‘iuvenis’
II. Subst.: jŭvĕnis , is, comm., one who is in the flower of his or her age (mostly of persons older than adolescentes and younger than seniores, i. e. between twenty and forty years

Thus, Lewis and Short. The Latin equivalent of meirakion was ‘adolescens’.

The ‘graduation date ‘ from the Pages may have been ‘ephebia’ at 18 or even 16 when an Athenian boy became kyrios and legally self-sufficient our sources do not say.
But see posts above. See response to Paralus . According to Curtius[V.1.42] the paides commence their duties of waiting on the King, at least in Alexander's case,when the 50 join as 'liberos adultos' [lit: free-born adults], at age 20 - ' primum adultus' in Curtius' words. This is a stumbling block, because if Curtius is correct, the 50 paides are 'adults' i.e. 20 year-olds, having been epheboi between 18 and 20 ( as per the epigraphic evidence). Also, according to Curtius[VIII.6.2] it was the custom "for the leading men of the Makedones to entrust their sons to the King on their coming of age for duties not very different from the service of slaves." (princibus Macedonum adultos liberos regibus tradere ad munia haud multum servilibus ministeriis abhorrentia ), that is, once again as adults on reaching age 20.
One wonders if Arrian's meirakion really refers to 'reaching puberty' or 'adolescence', since the ONLY time it is apparently used to mean this is here, according to the LSJ, and Plutarch and Lucian use it to mean "play the part of a boy". Some further research required, I think.

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It is crucial to use the Latin when the Latin is not directly equivalent to the Greek. We can all agree that ‘armiger’ = Hypaspist and ‘custos corporis’ = one of the agema or one of the seven, preserving the ambiguity of the Greek usage.
Agreed! :)
Despite your best efforts you must see that it is an assumption that ‘Nobiles iuvenes comitari eum soliti’ refers to the Pages. The age group is wrong, this is combat not a hunt, so being on foot is wrong. That Philip is armed and armoured shows this is not a hunting party. I was too general with the term ‘agema’ to be precise I would say he was a member of that sub-set of the agema known as ‘toi amph’auton hetairoi’, for which Curtius’ phrase does seem a reasonable translation, assuming he had better knowledge from his sources about the age of its members’ age.
I must, alas, disagree. See my reply to Paralus. The 'young nobles who were accustomed to attend him' [Curtius V.2.35] can really only be the 50 'adult sons of Macedonia's principal/chief men for a body-guard' referred to at [V.1.42], and whose duties match those of the 'paides basilikoi' precisely.

I am inclined to agree that it is possible that within the Agema ( at different times 500 or 1,000 strong probably) there was likely a further inner concentric circle 'amph'auton hetairoi'/closest Companions - just as within later Guards units there is/was a 'Sovreigns company/Kings Company' within Guard battalions/regiments... but the expression could equally refer to the paides, who, since they were the 'innermost' layer of guards ( guarding the bed-chamber) can surely be described as the King's "closest companions"[literally]
It is obvious that the Pages could not move to supply a whole chiliarchia nor even a pentekosiarchia, they could, however move on to the amph’auton hetairoi which was a more select body. Indeed it would have been impossible and counter-productive for a Page to move onto service as an officer in the Cavalry of the Companions. Until Susa the Companions were organised, like the ordinary phalanx, ‘kata ethne’ which would mean returning the hostages to their fathers’ control, foisting an Elimiote boy on Orestan troopers would be a recipe for fatal disorder and resentment; remember that this was an army that drew lots for the position that units took in the line, which speaks of intense rivalry as much as parity of quality.
Tentatively agreed! :lol: The Companion cavalry and phalanx were both recruited territorially from district or city ( see e.g. Hatzopoulos and Errington referred to above for latest evidence), and the units all had a strong territorial 'ethnic' sense.
However, Hypaspists - the Royal Foot Guard - were recruited on a non-territorial basis ( Theopompus and epigraphy), and it is likely the 'Ile Basilikon' - The Royal Squadron - were too, so that paides of whatever origin could be posted there without friction.

The Pages may already have served in the Ile Basilikon; Aretas, of whom Alexander demands a xyston at Granikos is described as I 15 vi
ὁ δὲ Ἀρέτην ᾔτει δόρυ ἕτερον, ἀναβολέα τῶν βασιλικῶν
anabole, helping the king to mount, is listed at, IV 13 above, as one of the duties of a Pais basilikon. Only the Hypaspists remain as royal standing troops.
See above - as a 20 year-old 'paide' or 'nobilus iuvenis', it would be no surprise if Alexander had a few such in attendance prior to the whole body of fifty being sent out to him, or perhaps Aretas was an ex-paide, now a 'Hetairos'.......
Now let us consider these ‘principes Macedonicum’; the conspirators are listed by Arrian and Curtius with patronymics Arr IV XIII gives
Hermolaos son of Sopolis
Sostratos son of Amyntas
Antipatros son of Asklepiodoros who had been satrap of Syria
Epimenes son of Arseas
Antikles son of Theokritos
Philotas son of Karsis the Thracian
Charikles son of Menandros
Eurylochos brother of Epimenes son of Arseas

This hardly reads as a gazeteer of the great and good, Sopolis may be the Ilarch and there is one ex-satrap’s son (Asklepiodoros is appointed at III 6, At the same time as a Menandros was appointed to Lydia, who may be Charikles’ father) . Karsis must be a novus homo, but he is certainly an anonymous one.
Given the fact that we don't have the names of hundreds of Macedonian nobles, native or appointed, I don't think that one can say these men were not of the 'great and good'. Of those above, one can be positively identified as the son of a satrap, and another, Philotas, is probably the son of one of Philip's appointed 'Hetairoi', hence certainly of the 'great and good'. The rest we simply can't say anything about, least of all that they are not noble, given the other evidence that paides were 'nobiles'...
Principes and nobiles were not sub-sets of one or the other, in fact the nobiles would be the smaller group; the nobiles are prominent based on their lineage ie blood, and none without the bloodline can be nobilis, the principes base their rank on their actions and as a group are open to all.
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Again, I'm sorry to have to take up a different viewpoint. Every 'ethne' and 'polis' had it's major and minor nobility, all no doubt jealous of their place in society, and their priveledges - thousands probably, both those native-born, and those appointed by the King, including foreigners. The 'principal men' or 'chief men' are just that - the crème de la crème, if you like. They are those closest to the King and are certainly not 'open to all', except in the sense that you didn't have to be of Macedonian noble birth to be invited to become a King's "Close Companion", and hence a member of the Synedroi/King's Council. I would suggest that within the concentric circles of Macedonian society, the 'principum Macedoniae' were clearly a sub-set of the Macedonian nobility generally.
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Unfortunately, you have been deceived by the Latin; 'liberi adulti' is equivalent to 'meirakia' , adolescents. liberi (liberos is accusative plural - in Curtius they are the object of Amyntas' 'bringing with him') means children - pueri and puellae; 'adultus' can mean fully grown but it also refers to moving from one stage to another, so that an 'adult child' is one who has reached puberty not their majority. That this is the correct interpretation is shown by Alexander's declaration that 'slaves are permitted to beat boys of this age' referring to Hermolaos, together with the usual appelation 'puer' for the Pages. Here 'adultus' is a past participle of 'adolesceo', in the Philip passage 'adultus' is a noun meaning 'adulthood'; same pattern of letters, totally different meaning.

While on matters linguistic, and I shall say this only once, the singular of 'paides' is 'pais'. The Plutarchan and Lucianic usages of 'meirakion' are context based, in a long list of the ages of man, in Aristophanes, I will have to edit in the ref, it appears as an age label pure and simple.

Let's not use 'closest companion' for 'Hoi Hetairoi amph'autou', it is not the closest translation - attendant companions would suffice - but this is how A B Bosworth and W Heckel explain the 'ast-' of 'asthetairoi' Bosworth in kinship, Heckel spatially; I think we can all agree there is enough ground for confusion already! :D

I do not think there is any weight to placed on the fact that only one draft of Pages is mentioned in the sources, they are mentioned because of the Conspiracy, it seems just as likely that each year the quota came out, not least because the loss of the honour would be felt by those left out, the careers of those passed over would be retarded. Alexander did not want discontent at home, and they provide quasi-hostages too. Our sources are simply not concerned with the daily running of things until it impinges upon Alexander; had Hermolaos not rebelled we may never had heard of the institution at all!

You disprove you own inclination to equate Antigonid and Argaead structures with 'there were rules so that only one adult male served at a time when there was more than one such in a family.' Alexander's army abounds in brothers, half this thread is based on the incident concerning Lysimachos and his brother! :D The articles sound interesting, though are they available online? I have both Heckel's original 'Somatophylakia; a Macedonian Cursus Honorum?' and the bit in Marshals, due to the binding it is awkward to scan but I'll give it a go and send it, best to have the material lest one inadvertently misrepresents it; or misses someone else doing so :evil:

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There's far too much to deal with since your sabbatical - and I still haven't dealt with the chronology thread! A quick couple of observations...
Xenophon wrote:The fact that there were more than 100 'Hetairoi' ( in the sense of councillors/synedroi rather than the titular sense of Macedonian heavy cavalry) is a case of irrelevant reasoning, for it pre-supposes that all such were former paides, and I don't know of any solid evidence for this proposition, do you ? It is just, AFIK, unsupported conjecture by Heckel.... ( and see below)
It does not presuppose that all such were former members of the paides basilikoi. It supposes that there were - at a minimum - 100 or more of the king's Friends that could supply pages. These are only those accorded (or for whom there were) brides. The Friends are a Hellenistic institution and their number could be anything (we are hardly given a full prosopography in the sources). The Friends 'replace' hetairoi in this period and we then have references to cavalry units (Seleucid) as "those called" the companions et al. The composition of these large groups of 'officials' of rule and influence is an interesting subject in itself. Of the attested Friends of Demetrius I only 58% are Macedonian; that figure is 50% for his son Gonatas and Philip V 61%. These figures are far lower than Alexander III but these relate to a later period and using such for Alexander's reign (as the numbers show) is rather a fraught exercise (more below).
Xenophon wrote: To quote Errington's epigraphical evidence:

"The basic unit of recruitment was the “fire-unit” (pyrokausis) a new word, and these were established with a significant amount of bureaucracy, being recruited, it seems, by the epistatai[magistrates] of the cities, for those who lived in city areas. There was also centrally kept lists (diagraphai) run by a royal official (ho epi tas diagraphas) registering the pyrokauseis and their members. As far as the distribution of the troops into individual units was concerned, we have here new evidence for a social selection, the poorest men being brigaded into the phalanx infantry.[ on a territorial basis] The special units, the royal agema, the peltasts or the hypaspistai were selected according to social criteria from the better-off [citizens].
[ On a Macedon- wide basis, as Theopompus says, in order to create elite, permanent, units].
Age also played a role. The agema was recruited from older men, with a cut-off point at 45, except for particularly fit individuals, whereas the peltasts were not older than 35."

This latter evidence is consistent with the relatively contemporary evidence of Theopompus.
I haven;t read the paper but, going on the information relating to age and service, this comes from the Drama / Cassandreia Conscription Diagrama. The relevant lines (side B, l 8-12):
Of those recruited in the agema the oldest are to be forty-five years of age, unless some of those up to fifty years are judged to be fit to perform service in that unit. Of the peltasts (the oldest are to be) thirty-five.
This is near universally agreed to date to the reign of Philip V. Philip's preoccupation with manpower and resources is well documented (Plb. 4.76.2; Livy 39.24.1-4; Austin no. 75, "The Hellenistic World"). Whilst I would not doubt that the Macedonian military was an organisation with associated bureaucratisation, one needs to be very careful in seeing this evidence as entirely consistent with the Macedon of 130-150 years hence. Just as one cannot foist the Hellenistic evidence for the Friends onto Alexander's or Philip's hetairoi, one shouldn't foist late Antigonid practice onto Philip II or Alexander III. It is precisely this that leads scholars to postulate a rigid constitutional monarchy for the Macedonia of Philip II (and Alexander). Antigonid practice is retro-fit onto earlier times. The Macedonia of Antigonus Gonatas, Doson and, especially Philip V is not that of Philip II. The constant concern for manpower and resources (crops - see Austin above) will drive different solutions.

That said, the age of the agema is interesting of itself. Livy describes this unit (42.51.4-5) as "selected from all the caetrati for their strength and for the vigour of their age". One might think younger for "the vigour of their age"? Then again, these are hard times for recruiters and pressing the experienced and fit hands into the agema might well make sense. What it does do is shine a light on Alexander's regular hypaspists. These troops had shared in the entire anabasis and were likely amongst those that Justin describes as the older and well experienced of Philip's men at the outset of the campaign. That they were grey headed buggers by the end does not surprise.
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agesilaos wrote:You disprove you own inclination to equate Antigonid and Argaead structures with 'there were rules so that only one adult male served at a time when there was more than one such in a family.' Alexander's army abounds in brothers, half this thread is based on the incident concerning Lysimachos and his brother! :D
You'd posted whilst I typed. That's a good pick up: I missed it getting carried away with the detail of Hellenistic philoi and their makeup. Indeed there were a mountain of brothers in Alexander's army - the sons of Andromenes immediately spring to mind. This is the danger of retro fitting late Antigonid practice to Alexander's court and army.
agesilaos wrote: The articles sound interesting, though are they available online? I have both Heckel's original 'Somatophylakia; a Macedonian Cursus Honorum?' and the bit in Marshals, due to the binding it is awkward to scan but I'll give it a go and send it, best to have the material lest one inadvertently misrepresents it; or misses someone else doing so :evil:
I think I've already done this for another here. Problem is they are image files and not so easy to work with. I just found the Errington paper here. And yes he is working from the stones I mentioned above.
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One thing I forgot (due to the mention of the Ashes surely).

Attested numbers for the Macedonian cavalry over the Antigonid period show a marked decline when put against those of the time of Alexander's departure. What was quite comfortably feasible in c 340-330 seems not to be the case - increasingly - over the 100 years from about 280-180. It would not be surprising in the least that recruitment methods will change to reflect that - as well as the make up of the various units. Philip is attested as facing serious challenges in raising troops for the Kynoskephalae campaign - having to enrol those beyond 'normal' service age and the young. What is clear is that Antigonid Macedon was not the same as the Asian Macedonian empires - especially the Seleukids. The evidence for the latter shows a continuation of the Macedonian 'cursus honorum' and of Macedonian 'institutions' from Alexander's time. So long as the empire was healthy there appears to have been no manpower shortages and we have several attestations of the syntrophoi of the Seleukid king (particularly under Antiochos III). Along with these are the paides basilikoi who rise to command wings of armies, units and elephant brigades. Thus recruitment via the Macedonian methods under Philip III and Alexander III continued - especially Philip's and later Alexander's willingness to expand the 'companionate' (Friends for the Seleukids) to encompass non-Macedonians.

The Antigonid kingdom was far from in the same healthy recruiting position as the Seleukid. Its methods and its structures will reflect that. The progression paths of those scions of the nobility might also reflect that change for if there were demonstrably fewer 'upper class' Macedonians providing the 'companion cavalry' there were, surely, fewer providing sons for what was the military path of Philip's and Alexander's time. Had there ever existed any supposed distinction between the "chief" and "regular" Macedonian nobles (and I feel there was not), this surely disappeared in efforts to 'draft' as many into the structure as possible.
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The first time we encounter the term ‘amph’auton hetairoi’ is Arrian I 6 v, where they are coupled with the ‘somatophylakes’ ; both groups are ordered to take up their shields, mount their horses and clear a hill. It would seem that they are expected to fight on foot and are mounted only to allow them to reach the enemy quickly. The question of whether the ‘somatophylakes’ here are the Seven or the ‘agema’ of the hypaspists is not immediately clear.
The next time this formula occurs is within the description of the battle of Granikos at I 15 vi
[6] ἔνθα δὴ καὶ Ἀλεξάνδρῳ ξυντρίβεται τὸ δόρυ ἐν τῇ μάχῃ: ὁ δὲ Ἀρέτην ᾔτει δόρυ ἕτερον, ἀναβολέα τῶν βασιλικῶν: τῷ δὲ καὶ αὐτῷ πονουμένῳ συντετριμμένον τὸ δόρυ ἦν, ὁ δὲ τῷ ἡμίσει κεκλασμένου τοῦ δόρατος οὐκ ἀφανῶς ἐμάχετο, καὶ τοῦτο δείξας Ἀλεξάνδρῳ ἄλλον αἰτεῖν ἐκέλευεν: Δημάρατος δέ, ἀνὴρ Κορίνθιος, τῶν ἀμφ᾽ αὐτὸν ἑταίρων, δίδωσιν αὐτῷ τὸ αὑτοῦ δόρυ.
The incident of Alexander’s broken spear uis interesting as in this one passage we have, fighting in close proximity to the King, Aretis who is described as ‘anabolea twn basilikwn’ – someone who helps the king mount – a duty assigned to the Pages, and Demaratos of Corinth, who is ‘anhr’ a man and ‘twn amph’auton hetairwn’ . As Alexander is in the midst of the Basilike Ile this reference has not been noticed; it is perfectly valid to translate as ‘one of the Companions around him’ meaning just the Cavalry of the Companions, but this combination does seem to indicate a specific body in other instances. One objection is that Demaratos is described by Plutarch as weeping, ‘prebeutikos’ - like an old man when he sees Alexander on Dareios’ throne (Alex. 37 vii and 56 i) he is said to die of an infirmity (contra Heckel et al, not old age or natural causes). We are asked to believe that a man vigourous enough to be at the forefront of battle is an ancient six years later.

The stages of life are given by Xenophon, Symposia 4 xvii as
“παῖς, μειράκιον, ἀner., πρεσβύτης’
As the Pages were ‘meirakia’ we would expect them to be ‘androi’ when they graduated so the language fits the postulated path through the elite bodies. Demaratos has been identified with that Demaratos who brought reinforcements to Timoleon in Sicily (Plutarch ‘Timoleon’ 21, 25, 26) but it is most unlikely that there was only one Demaratos in Corinth. This may be Plutarch’s ‘presbeutes’ but surely not Arrian’s ‘aner’. I would posit that, if we do not wish to reject Plutarch’s old man as later embellishment, that the man who gives Alexander his spear is the elder Demaratos’ son, who has finished serving as a Page under Philip and is now fighting as an ‘hetairos amph’auton’. Bosworth ‘Commentary’ I p122 also thinks it unlikely this Demaratos is the old guest-friend of Philip II, though he is silent on the ‘hetairoi amph’auton’, presumably settling for the standard translation.

Aretis would either have just graduated or be in the group about to graduate ie 16-18 years old). It was noted in the first instance that the ‘hetairoi amph’auton’ had horses and shields, it would thus seem that they were capable of action on foot as well as mounted and it would follow that they provided the combat guard of the king in whichever circumstance was required and had a role in both the ‘agema of the hypaspists’ and the ‘ile basilike’ – a non-rigid command structure which seems common in this flexible army.

At II 23 vi we find Alexander on the walls of Tyre with ‘hetairoi’ who were previously designated ‘hypaspitai’, if with Goukowsky (‘Makedonika’) and contra Bosworth (‘Commentary’ et al ) one sees the ‘asthetairoi’ of Koinos’ unit as a sub-unit rather than the whole (and since they fit aboard one ship there seems no other option) then the ‘hetairoi’ are similarly a sub-unit of the ‘hypaspistai’ which suits the suggested usage of ‘hoi hetairoi amph’auton’. The loss of the second part of the title may be explained by the occurrence of ‘amph’auton’ in the previous verse, it may have been dropped by Arrian for style or excised as dittography by a later editor.

VII 11 ii
2] οἱ δὲ Μακεδόνες ἔν τε τῷ παραυτίκα ἀκούσαντες τῶν λόγων ἐκπεπληγμένοι σιγῇ ἔμενον αὐτοῦ πρὸς τῷ βήματι οὐδέ τις ἠκολούθησε τῷ βασιλεῖ ἀπαλλαττομένῳ ὅτι μὴ οἱ ἀμφ᾽ αὐτὸν ἑταῖροί τε καὶ οἱ σωματοφύλακες, οἱ δὲ πολλοὶ οὔτε μένοντες ὅ τι πράττωσιν ἢ λέγωσιν εἶχον, οὔτε ἀπαλλάσσεσθαι ἤθελον.
But the Macedonians who heard the speech were thoroughly astonished at the moment, and remained there in silence near the platform; nor when he retired did any of them accompany the king, except his personal Companions and the body-guards. Though they remained most of them had nothing to do or say; and yet they were unwilling to retire.
Again coupled with the ‘somatophylakes’, usually taken to mean the Seven here, but it may mean the ‘agema’. Lists are frequently in hierarchical order which would make the HHAA more important than the ‘somatophylakes’

The final mention is VII 24 ii
2] εἶναι δὲ κλίνας ἑκατέρωθεν τοῦ θρόνου ἀργυρόποδας, ἐφ᾽ ὧν οἱ ἀμφ᾽ αὐτὸν ἑταῖροι ἐκάθηντο.
Here the HAA are on a Dais with the king’s throne seated on couches with silver feet, formerly I had seen this as an instance of ‘hetairoi’ being used for the Seven, but now, I incline to this as an indication of the elite status of a self-contained body within the ‘agema’.

The picture here is of a much more restricted ‘cursus honorum’ than that envisaged by Heckel and a more flexible one, HHAA acting both mounted and on foot. We cannot discern whether only former Royal Pages entered HHAA but it would seem the logical place for their further education, continuing the dependence upon the King but now with great honour rather than the quasi-servitude of the Pages. It remains possible that others could enter HHAA, the case of Seleukos may indicate a more mature officer stratum, if weight is to be placed on his ‘hetaireia’ being opposed to Lysimachos’ and Perdikkas’ ‘somatophylakia’ at V 13 I, he would have been about thirty when he crossed the Hydaspes.

I prefer a more permeable picture of the Macedonian hierarchy, logically not every page would cut the mustard, or even survive to progress to HHAA, it would stand to reason, then that this was not an exclusive route though probably the most common.
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I was awaiting the return of Xenophon to the subject but it appears the venerable philo-Spartan is on sabbatical at Scillus. I'll limit myself to a couple of observations. The basis of these is that I think we are on very unsteady ground when it comes to assigning technical meanings to terms and phrases in the ancient sources. Anabasis Alexandrou is not a technical treatise. That does not mean that words are not used to denote particular offices or not used in any technical fashion, simply that this is not consistent and adjudging when such applies can be fraught - especially with phrases.
agesilaos wrote:At II 23 vi we find Alexander on the walls of Tyre with ‘hetairoi’ who were previously designated ‘hypaspitai’, if with Goukowsky (‘Makedonika’) and contra Bosworth (‘Commentary’ et al ) one sees the ‘asthetairoi’ of Koinos’ unit as a sub-unit rather than the whole (and since they fit aboard one ship there seems no other option) then the ‘hetairoi’ are similarly a sub-unit of the ‘hypaspistai’ which suits the suggested usage of ‘hoi hetairoi amph’auton’. The loss of the second part of the title may be explained by the occurrence of ‘amph’auton’ in the previous verse, it may have been dropped by Arrian for style or excised as dittography by a later editor.
And here is a sterling example. Leaving aside amph’auton for the time being, this passage exemplifies Arrian's style and off-handed handling of terminology. It is clear that Alexander will sail against the wall with "his hypaspists" who are commanded by Admetus (2.23.2). This is obviously a sub-unit and certainly the agema at least. In the verse you cite, Arrian describes Admetus' death leading these hypaspists and Alexander then leading these hetairoi to take the wall. There is no mention of amph’auton in this entire passage (2.23) and, if this phrase (hoi hetairoi amph’auton) were a technical term, this is the perfect time and place to use it. To me, it is far more likely that Arrian, for reasons of style possibly, has utilised another word (hetairoi) describing these soldiers just as he does at other times with somatophylakes, agema (whether basilikoi, Makedones or not).

On the matter of the asthetairoi, I have not read Goukowsky. If the suggestion is that Koinos' asthetairoi are a sub unit of his battalion (taxis), I cannot agree. There are attestations of taxies of asthetairoi (especially 5.22.6) and even of Pithon's taxis of asthetairoi (6.6.1). These are either "battalions" or most every battalion of the phalanx possessed a sub unit of asthetairoi. The fact they fit on a single ship is not conclusive as at Hydaspes "half" the hypaspists also fit on a ship.
agesilaos wrote: Aretis would either have just graduated or be in the group about to graduate ie 16-18 years old). It was noted in the first instance that the ‘hetairoi amph’auton’ had horses and shields, it would thus seem that they were capable of action on foot as well as mounted and it would follow that they provided the combat guard of the king in whichever circumstance was required and had a role in both the ‘agema of the hypaspists’ and the ‘ile basilike’ – a non-rigid command structure which seems common in this flexible army.
I incline to the traditional view of Demaratus. I think the most natural rendering is, as you suggest earlier, "one of the Companions around him". That this is referring to Demaratus being a member of an elite sub-group seems to force the issue somewhat. Whilst the army might be flexible, Arrian's use of descriptive terminology is just as flexible and here he is simply describing Aretis - an hetairos to be sure - in time and space.

All in all, I think the phrase is descriptive rather than technical. Those hetairoi of 7.24.2 I would include in this. I do not think they are more important than the Somatophylakes: these are clearly the top seven nobles of the court and the closest of the king's confidants / protectors. Those hetairoi amph’auton, in my view, are the closest of the king's Companions and near certainly those of his syntrophoi not promoted to the status of Somatophylax. Though the Hellenistic Friends are somewhat different, the institution is steeped in the "companionate" of Philip II and Alexander III. The parallel are the closest philoi of the Hellenistic kings - those who comprised his synhedrion.
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Paralus wrote:
“This is near universally agreed to date to the reign of Philip V. Philip's preoccupation with manpower and resources is well documented (Plb. 4.76.2; Livy 39.24.1-4; Austin no. 75, "The Hellenistic World"). Whilst I would not doubt that the Macedonian military was an organisation with associated bureaucratisation, one needs to be very careful in seeing this evidence as entirely consistent with the Macedon of 130-150 years hence. Just as one cannot foist the Hellenistic evidence for the Friends onto Alexander's or Philip's hetairoi, one shouldn't foist late Antigonid practice onto Philip II or Alexander III. It is precisely this that leads scholars to postulate a rigid constitutional monarchy for the Macedonia of Philip II (and Alexander). Antigonid practice is retro-fit onto earlier times. The Macedonia of Antigonus Gonatas, Doson and, especially Philip V is not that of Philip II. The constant concern for manpower and resources (crops - see Austin above) will drive different solutions.”
I would agree one must apply caution in relating Hellenistic to Alexandrian practices, but as is clear from the Hellenistic manuals, and the information we have for Philip/Alexander’s time, there were many similar, even identical practices between the armies of the two periods, and the constant concern for manpower and resources was common to both and led to similar solutions. However, ancient armies, whether Greek, Macedonian or Roman, were conservative organisations as we can see from the continuity in unit titles, recruitment practices and even weaponry over centuries.
“agesilaos wrote:You disprove you own inclination to equate Antigonid and Argaead structures with 'there were rules so that only one adult male served at a time when there was more than one such in a family.' Alexander's army abounds in brothers, half this thread is based on the incident concerning Lysimachos and his brother!


You'd posted whilst I typed. That's a good pick up: I missed it getting carried away with the detail of Hellenistic philoi and their makeup. Indeed there were a mountain of brothers in Alexander's army - the sons of Andromenes immediately spring to mind. This is the danger of retro fitting late Antigonid practice to Alexander's court and army.”
Leapt a little too soon, I’d say! Partly my fault though, for not being sufficiently clear. I should have pointed out the rules concerned generations, so that where a father was on active service, the next generation could not be compelled to actively serve and vice versa. That, of course, would not stop people volunteering though.....
Not overly relevant to the point at hand in any case, and doubtless you two will have now picked up the correction from your own reading of Hatzopoulos and Errington .........
“Attested numbers for the Macedonian cavalry over the Antigonid period show a marked decline when put against those of the time of Alexander's departure. What was quite comfortably feasible in c 340-330 seems not to be the case - increasingly - over the 100 years from about 280-180. It would not be surprising in the least that recruitment methods will change to reflect that - as well as the make up of the various units. Philip is attested as facing serious challenges in raising troops for the Kynoskephalae campaign - having to enrol those beyond 'normal' service age and the young. What is clear is that Antigonid Macedon was not the same as the Asian Macedonian empires - especially the Seleukids. The evidence for the latter shows a continuation of the Macedonian 'cursus honorum' and of Macedonian 'institutions' from Alexander's time. So long as the empire was healthy there appears to have been no manpower shortages and we have several attestations of the syntrophoi of the Seleukid king (particularly under Antiochos III). Along with these are thepaides basilikoi who rise to command wings of armies, units and elephant brigades. Thus recruitment via the Macedonian methods under Philip III and Alexander III continued - especially Philip's and later Alexander's willingness to expand the 'companionate' (Friends for the Seleukids) to encompass non-Macedonians.

The Antigonid kingdom was far from in the same healthy recruiting position as the Seleukid. Its methods and its structures will reflect that. The progression paths of those scions of the nobility might also reflect that change for if there were demonstrably fewer 'upper class' Macedonians providing the 'companion cavalry' there were, surely, fewer providing sons for what was the military path of Philip's and Alexander's time. Had there ever existed any supposed distinction between the "chief" and "regular" Macedonian nobles (and I feel there was not), this surely disappeared in efforts to 'draft' as many into the structure as possible.”
This illustrates the point I made above – that conservative institutions continued wherever possible, but that at the same time some institutions were compelled to change by force of circumstance. You mention two instances in particular. The reason for the shortage of cavalry in Antigonid Macedon is simple. A devastating invasion of Celts in 280/279 BC. The King (Ptolemy Ceraunus) was captured and beheaded, the army totally destroyed (twice). Almost all who failed to find shelter in walled cities were either slaughtered or enslaved. This of course included the destruction of the infrastructure and country estates for both horse-breeding and training of cavalrymen that Philip and Alexander had carefully built up. It took generations for Macedon to recover under the Antigonids, especially when it came to re-establishing the cavalry.

In the second case, I don’t agree with your comments about Macedonian nobility. They were not a group of ‘Peers’ like the Spartan aristocracy, rather more like a feudal set-up, with local magnates, or great lords and other lesser nobles. ( see my reference to concentric circles of society previously). Indeed, one of the problems of both Philip’s and Alexander’s reigns were “over mighty subjects”, and the distinctions between these and lesser nobility down to local ‘squires’( in the English country gentleman sense) with a modest estate able to support just one cavalryman will have been high. This sort of society is why our sources can speak of ‘principal’ Macedonian families. I don’t think such distinctions disappeared even if the ‘pool’ of aristocrats had shrunk due to the devastation.......
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