Re: Shield Bearer uniform
Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 5:28 am
Firstly (and I'm well aware of Milns), can we please giveaway describing Diodorus' use of "Friends" as a "digression"? It is you who introduced it and, as I've attempted to show, the Sicilian has - immediately before describing these youths - described the entire Companion cavalry as the "Friends"!
That these pages were limited only to the sons of the "principal Macedonians" is another swingeing generalsiation based on a toothpick and the evidence more than suggests otherwise. Amongst those involved in the pages' conspiracy is one Philotas. Arrian (4.13.4) supplies his details: "Philotas, son of Karsis, the Thracian". There are non Macedonian hetairoi attested under Philip and Alexander. Nothing can presume that this Thracian was the only non Macedonian page. As well, Alexander married 100 (Plut. Mor. 1.7, 329E) of "the most prominent of his Friends" (to use Diodorus, 17.107.6) or hetairoi (Arrian) to Persian women. There is no reason to posit only 50 pages or fifty Macedonians priviledged to supply such.
Had Curtius been making this distinction and so "going on to describe the duties of this small (50) select group" (and I do not believe he is) one is left to wonder why, at 8.2.35, he does not describe them as this select group as such if he has made such a distinction.
Supposing that Alexander (or any king) could not leave Macedonia without taking all the pages does not wash. This is the only attestation of pages arriving in the east. It is hindsight to think that Alexander took all the pages because he knew he'd be away from Macedonia for an extended period. It is far more likely (as Hammond and others have suggested) that no pages were brought east until Alexander was confident of the outcome of the expedition: the defeat of the enemy. This is precisely the point in the campaign that we have the first and only recorded draft of these individuals. That this was the entire corps is nowhere stated and doubtful. I'm in agreement with those who see this draft as the older year class(es).
Xenophon wrote:Curtius' language does not, I believe translate as "sons of Macedonian nobles" ( the word 'nobiles' is not used here) but rather, as has been referred to, Curtius says "principum Macedoniae" = principal/foremost Macedonians - The Loeb translates as "chief men"- which is obviously a much smaller group than just 'nobles' generally, and then goes on to describe the duties of this small (50) select group whose fathers were the 50 foremost men in Macedonia.
The distinction being made is simply between Macedonians (6,000 of whom have also come) and noble Macedonians - the king's "Friends" as Diodorus calls them. I would see it as dangerous practise to generalise from a single attestation (from the same source) the fact that the paides were only 50 and that they were the sons of a tightly restricted sub-class of "Friends" only ever restricted to fifty. That is a rather sweeping claim based on flimsy material. One might just as easily reverse the logic and argue that, since there is only the one notice of pages sent east and that only 50, the numbers of the group only supported the one lot of fifty!Xenophon wrote:It was therefore open only to the highest, as is re-inforced by Curtius' reference to 'principum Macedoniae'[ lit: principal Macedonians]. The distinction is obvious, and certainly not meaningless.
That these pages were limited only to the sons of the "principal Macedonians" is another swingeing generalsiation based on a toothpick and the evidence more than suggests otherwise. Amongst those involved in the pages' conspiracy is one Philotas. Arrian (4.13.4) supplies his details: "Philotas, son of Karsis, the Thracian". There are non Macedonian hetairoi attested under Philip and Alexander. Nothing can presume that this Thracian was the only non Macedonian page. As well, Alexander married 100 (Plut. Mor. 1.7, 329E) of "the most prominent of his Friends" (to use Diodorus, 17.107.6) or hetairoi (Arrian) to Persian women. There is no reason to posit only 50 pages or fifty Macedonians priviledged to supply such.
Had Curtius been making this distinction and so "going on to describe the duties of this small (50) select group" (and I do not believe he is) one is left to wonder why, at 8.2.35, he does not describe them as this select group as such if he has made such a distinction.
Supposing that Alexander (or any king) could not leave Macedonia without taking all the pages does not wash. This is the only attestation of pages arriving in the east. It is hindsight to think that Alexander took all the pages because he knew he'd be away from Macedonia for an extended period. It is far more likely (as Hammond and others have suggested) that no pages were brought east until Alexander was confident of the outcome of the expedition: the defeat of the enemy. This is precisely the point in the campaign that we have the first and only recorded draft of these individuals. That this was the entire corps is nowhere stated and doubtful. I'm in agreement with those who see this draft as the older year class(es).
Theopompus refers only to the pezhetairoi. It is widely assumed, and I agree, that this is the unit that later became known as the hypaspists under Alexader (at the latest). Theopompus makes no distinction of any sub group within these guard troop and is referring to the entire corps rather than what we later know as the agema.Xenophon wrote: but without any evidence to counter what Theopompus et al have to say, namely that they were selected for height and strength from all the Makedones. This is pure rhetoric, unless you support it with some evidence.
Neither I nor Heckel have anywhere suggested that these scions of the nobility are to "serve out their lives as ordinary infantrymen"; this is a "red herring" or, more pertinently, a straw man argument . Perhaps you might re-read Heckel's chapter in "Marshals".Xenophon wrote:Are we to assume, then, that the bulk of Macedon's nobles were content serve out their lives as ordinary infantrymen, albeit with the privilege of guarding the King ? Here, inter alia, Heckel's proposition falls down.
No one suggested that all hetairoi had been pages. What I've been at pains to point out is that Philip saw the need to expand his hetairoi. Early in his reign it numbered something like 800 and, as most agree, it numbered some 3,300 at the time of Alexander's expedition. One can hardly suppose that Antipater replaced the 1,300 hetairoi taken by Alexander as reinforcements by simply throwing open Macedonian "hetairoi-ship". Nor can one think that Alexander did so (though he would later when integrating Persians thus following his father's lead in Asia). The natural conclusion is that the expanded hetairoi would seek to maintain its ranks from their own sons. That these sons went through the Macedonian "agoge" is just as natural. And, were I one your excluded hetairoi, I would certainly be asking the question why the son of a Thracian was accorded this priveledge and opportunity for high rank and not mine.Xenophon wrote:I am certainly not suggesting that all Hetairoi cavalry had been paides! Nor even that the 'Ile Basilikoi' were all former paides. Simply that on completion of their training, the likely unit they would have joined ( perhaps only a dozen or so 'graduates' at a time or less) would have been the 'Ile Basilikoi', which numbered several hundred. I agree with you that Philip's policy had been to expand his 'Hetairoi' cavalry by all means - and that included granting pasturage land and horses to non- Macedonians.......it is equally incorrect to assume all 'Hetairoi' had been paides, as to assume the whole Agema of Hypapsists had been.....