Hi allI found a striking (at least to me!) coincidence: another name of Zeus is "Dios". The funny thing is that "Dios" means "God" in Spanish. I wonder whether this is just a coincidence, or something else?
Also, I know there are some Brazilians around in the forum, and since Spanish and Portuguese are both latin languages, I would like to know if there is a similar link between the Portuguese word for "God" and Zeus-Dios.
I know that Zeus was re-named Jupiter by the Romans, so even if Spanish and Portuguese are derived from Latin, this link is probably nothing but a coincidence, though who knows? I would like to know your thoughts about this.
Best regardsAlejandro
Spanish Zeus
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THE LIGHT 7000
Re: Spanish Zeus
Dear friend,
...Recently there was something about these words and meanings. In ancient time, long ago before Alexander, ancient Makedonians had cult of the Sun, so it was IOS, means YOS=YAS i.e. I AM. This is first time somohow in history of mankind somthing about selfconsciousness to be born, I am = Ios/Yas, consciosness about existence. On the other hand IOS=ZIOS=ZEUS means ZIV=ALIVE, LIVE GOD, or/and other meaning is ZIOS=ZEUS=DEUS=GOD! Zios means something simular to LIGHT, STAR, SUN,(SUN is STAR),so all these elements are with deep roots in Makedonian cultural heritage which was changed and renamed later on. This change was/is somohow like need, more with the fact that humans are evolving in their creative evolution. Very important fact here is that becouse of Makedonian beliefs, i.e. GOD= IOS=ILIOS=ILION, Makedonians were builders of city's ILIONS, like later Alexander was building Alexandrias! This is very important for this forum because Alexander in person, before his "march" towards East, He went to ancient ILION, Homeric Ilion, (Iliyad, not Troyad !), so as a continuity Makedonians has same tradition even today to celebrate ILIN (ILION=ILI'N), DAY- 2-nd of August. The battler at Heronea I think was on same day! There is no full distinction between civilisations, beliefs..., but continuity. Once rised question about Alexander devinity and number 12 i.e. 13, here is with axplanation. Everything is symbolism. Mathematics, physics, chemistry,... is pure symbolism. Number 12=1+2=3, that means 3D. We are living in 3 dimensinal world as our reality. 1=3=4, 4-th dimension is something beyond this world. So first and the last are same, there is no need of 13, and all mysterey's are ending there. 4-th dimension and maybe others 8 or 12, are beyond ...Above entry is to sumerise few topics on this forum in one, because of time and space, so one will ask what kind of dimensions are they= yes, time and space are separate 3D dimensions for them selfs. Past, present and future, same is for space! State of our consciousness, which is same foe all, can reach some of other posibilities/ dimensions and could "talk" for it self determing persons life, like in the case of Alexander, Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed and few more... Simple as that. More in some ather time and place...The Light 7000
...Recently there was something about these words and meanings. In ancient time, long ago before Alexander, ancient Makedonians had cult of the Sun, so it was IOS, means YOS=YAS i.e. I AM. This is first time somohow in history of mankind somthing about selfconsciousness to be born, I am = Ios/Yas, consciosness about existence. On the other hand IOS=ZIOS=ZEUS means ZIV=ALIVE, LIVE GOD, or/and other meaning is ZIOS=ZEUS=DEUS=GOD! Zios means something simular to LIGHT, STAR, SUN,(SUN is STAR),so all these elements are with deep roots in Makedonian cultural heritage which was changed and renamed later on. This change was/is somohow like need, more with the fact that humans are evolving in their creative evolution. Very important fact here is that becouse of Makedonian beliefs, i.e. GOD= IOS=ILIOS=ILION, Makedonians were builders of city's ILIONS, like later Alexander was building Alexandrias! This is very important for this forum because Alexander in person, before his "march" towards East, He went to ancient ILION, Homeric Ilion, (Iliyad, not Troyad !), so as a continuity Makedonians has same tradition even today to celebrate ILIN (ILION=ILI'N), DAY- 2-nd of August. The battler at Heronea I think was on same day! There is no full distinction between civilisations, beliefs..., but continuity. Once rised question about Alexander devinity and number 12 i.e. 13, here is with axplanation. Everything is symbolism. Mathematics, physics, chemistry,... is pure symbolism. Number 12=1+2=3, that means 3D. We are living in 3 dimensinal world as our reality. 1=3=4, 4-th dimension is something beyond this world. So first and the last are same, there is no need of 13, and all mysterey's are ending there. 4-th dimension and maybe others 8 or 12, are beyond ...Above entry is to sumerise few topics on this forum in one, because of time and space, so one will ask what kind of dimensions are they= yes, time and space are separate 3D dimensions for them selfs. Past, present and future, same is for space! State of our consciousness, which is same foe all, can reach some of other posibilities/ dimensions and could "talk" for it self determing persons life, like in the case of Alexander, Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed and few more... Simple as that. More in some ather time and place...The Light 7000
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stavros
Re: Spanish Zeus
V. you make me laugh. i think i need to attend university in FYROM to learn all this. after all it is where everything begun right?
Re: Spanish Zeus
Hi Miguel,That's an interesting coincidence, and perhaps not just a coincidence!
Dios is the genitive form of Dias (Zeus). But the root is common Indo-European so it's probably not directly deriving from Greek. The original root is "dyeu" meaning "to shine" and in extension sky, heaven, god... There's a small distance from Indoeuropean "dyeu" to Greek Zeus and to Latin Deus/God/Dios!A couple of months ago there was an interesting discovery in Pella. The excavation team discovered the remains of a Macedonian temple dedicated to Zeus Soter (savior). There's not much left from the temple but they found many decorative eagles (Zeus symbol). The site is still being excavated so more details as soon as they're published.Moreover, the new Museum hosting the exhibition of the royal treasures has been officially opened in Pella!
Here's a site with nice photos from the excavations in the area:
http://alexander.macedonia.culture.gr/2 ... 1qa07.html
(Unfortunately I couldn't find the new museum's site)
Dios is the genitive form of Dias (Zeus). But the root is common Indo-European so it's probably not directly deriving from Greek. The original root is "dyeu" meaning "to shine" and in extension sky, heaven, god... There's a small distance from Indoeuropean "dyeu" to Greek Zeus and to Latin Deus/God/Dios!A couple of months ago there was an interesting discovery in Pella. The excavation team discovered the remains of a Macedonian temple dedicated to Zeus Soter (savior). There's not much left from the temple but they found many decorative eagles (Zeus symbol). The site is still being excavated so more details as soon as they're published.Moreover, the new Museum hosting the exhibition of the royal treasures has been officially opened in Pella!
Here's a site with nice photos from the excavations in the area:
http://alexander.macedonia.culture.gr/2 ... 1qa07.html
(Unfortunately I couldn't find the new museum's site)
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John.
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Suez is Zeus spelled backwards.Don't you think the Suez Canal is Zeus showing up Moses? "You can part the sea? That's nothing. I can part the land!"Doncha' think?John
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THE LIGHT 7000
Re: Spanish Zeus
Dear friends,
Regarding this you are both comletly right. In this manner we / you need reexamine so called Makedonian- "Greek" debate, because if there is no debate you are close to nothing. On the other hand "Greek" debate is paraodox becouse Greece was not "born" than. Same if you are talking about Soviet Union in the time of Ekatherina...! Appropriate standardised moderation is what you need only! ...This is introduction in main point of this issue:I mention in my reply that becouse of creative evolution of people some changes were done to original names, but maunly as a need. What that means!? Well, if you take various ethnic groups, they have different antropology, so their "vocabular" system is diferent, i.e. larynx, cords, nose, mouth, plate etc., and all of this have very much influence on how one is saying /pronauncing different words. For. eg., today Greeks can not say SH and are using S etc.and simular. It is same for other people from different regions, eg. Chinese can not pronaunce well some English words etc. So becouse of this, maybe there were some changes in the names of same, but that was apparently main reason for interpretation and various missinterpretation of same, for various interests by someone, and are our haevy laguage now! Now is time in friendly manner, knowing this, to find what is the truth- original, but that will lead to find the way and proof that all humans are almost the same, but due to various known and unknown (not misterious), geografic ("gravity/electromagnetic variability could also couse some DNA change which are the source for different antropological characteristics),and other sources, now after all they are "different" with no fault what so ever! Eg. IOS=ZIOS+ZEUS=ZEVS=means ZVEZDA i.e. STAR in Macedonian, and Macedonian SUN is STAR too. Everything else in different languages close to this has simular maybe meaning, if is not so distorted with misinterpretations and human destructive aproach.Or maybe somone is using the same term in original but do not know it's meaning. Eg., Moses went to Mt. Nebo, and NEBO in Macedonian means HAVEN/SKY, and Mt. Nebo is apparently on Mt. Sinay. SINAY=SINEY in Macedonian means BLUISH, so apparently in the presence of something the microclima/ atmpshera was changing, becaming bluish. That is pure meaning for these words from Macedonian, without nominatives, genitives nor acusatives! (Same is for MOSES=MOJIE/MOYSIE, and means HE IS MINE i.e. GOD'S MAN, and again I think wo
Regarding this you are both comletly right. In this manner we / you need reexamine so called Makedonian- "Greek" debate, because if there is no debate you are close to nothing. On the other hand "Greek" debate is paraodox becouse Greece was not "born" than. Same if you are talking about Soviet Union in the time of Ekatherina...! Appropriate standardised moderation is what you need only! ...This is introduction in main point of this issue:I mention in my reply that becouse of creative evolution of people some changes were done to original names, but maunly as a need. What that means!? Well, if you take various ethnic groups, they have different antropology, so their "vocabular" system is diferent, i.e. larynx, cords, nose, mouth, plate etc., and all of this have very much influence on how one is saying /pronauncing different words. For. eg., today Greeks can not say SH and are using S etc.and simular. It is same for other people from different regions, eg. Chinese can not pronaunce well some English words etc. So becouse of this, maybe there were some changes in the names of same, but that was apparently main reason for interpretation and various missinterpretation of same, for various interests by someone, and are our haevy laguage now! Now is time in friendly manner, knowing this, to find what is the truth- original, but that will lead to find the way and proof that all humans are almost the same, but due to various known and unknown (not misterious), geografic ("gravity/electromagnetic variability could also couse some DNA change which are the source for different antropological characteristics),and other sources, now after all they are "different" with no fault what so ever! Eg. IOS=ZIOS+ZEUS=ZEVS=means ZVEZDA i.e. STAR in Macedonian, and Macedonian SUN is STAR too. Everything else in different languages close to this has simular maybe meaning, if is not so distorted with misinterpretations and human destructive aproach.Or maybe somone is using the same term in original but do not know it's meaning. Eg., Moses went to Mt. Nebo, and NEBO in Macedonian means HAVEN/SKY, and Mt. Nebo is apparently on Mt. Sinay. SINAY=SINEY in Macedonian means BLUISH, so apparently in the presence of something the microclima/ atmpshera was changing, becaming bluish. That is pure meaning for these words from Macedonian, without nominatives, genitives nor acusatives! (Same is for MOSES=MOJIE/MOYSIE, and means HE IS MINE i.e. GOD'S MAN, and again I think wo
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THE LIGHT 7000
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cont.=
I think word in portugise MADRAGURDA is almost identical to MODRAMUGRA in Macedonian, and both means BLUISH DOWNS, ie. the moment WHEN THE NIGHT IS BECOMMING DAY ! ...So regarding above and everything "around" at the moment, speaking from the view point of Alexander The Great Forum, keeping in mind that HE, as you mention Asia, Africa, HE was changing the whole world, this forum belongs to all, and debate is for all and not only for few, if you understund debate as a constructive dialogue with same purpose and goal, and that is Alexander's Dream for better world, no more no less. ...With Regards The Light 7000
I think word in portugise MADRAGURDA is almost identical to MODRAMUGRA in Macedonian, and both means BLUISH DOWNS, ie. the moment WHEN THE NIGHT IS BECOMMING DAY ! ...So regarding above and everything "around" at the moment, speaking from the view point of Alexander The Great Forum, keeping in mind that HE, as you mention Asia, Africa, HE was changing the whole world, this forum belongs to all, and debate is for all and not only for few, if you understund debate as a constructive dialogue with same purpose and goal, and that is Alexander's Dream for better world, no more no less. ...With Regards The Light 7000
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Once again Vasko,
The language you're advertising as "Macedonian" is Slacic. A Serb can andestandit perfectly.
ZVEZDA is the name of a football club in Belgrad for crying out loud!On the other hand you're right (it's self evident in anycase) that there was no Greece at that time (not as a state). Greece (or Hellas) was a conglomerate of 1500 cities/settlements all around the Mediteranean, "like frogs around a lake". But no one has ever claimedotherwise, so what's your point? Or better, is there a point?
The language you're advertising as "Macedonian" is Slacic. A Serb can andestandit perfectly.
ZVEZDA is the name of a football club in Belgrad for crying out loud!On the other hand you're right (it's self evident in anycase) that there was no Greece at that time (not as a state). Greece (or Hellas) was a conglomerate of 1500 cities/settlements all around the Mediteranean, "like frogs around a lake". But no one has ever claimedotherwise, so what's your point? Or better, is there a point?
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THE LIGHT 7000
Re: Spanish Zeus
My very dear friend Yahhis K,You do not know how I am hapy with you, ...Why!? Because you are my leading LIGHT towards truth and revalation of truth to all!...You have said above re: ZEVS=ZEVZA/STAR/ZVEZDA as a confirmation of my entry! Now, what about word SOTER, what about it my friend, ha ha ha ! ......SOTER IN MAKEDONIAN, AND ONLY IN MAKEDONIAN LANGUAGE MEANS STOTER=SOTRI= TO DESTROY !!! YES, IS SAME EVEN TODAY WITHIN MAKEDONIANS! PEOPLE USED TO SAY "GOD TO "SOTRI" YOU "... ie "GOD TO "DESTROY" YOU" !!! THIS IS THE WORD THAT IMPLY TO SAVE GOD'S PEOPLE AND HIS WILL, AND TO DESTROY ENEMIES, TO DESTROY THEM FROM THE ROOTS! EG. OF THIS IS SODOMA, GOMORA, YET EG., IN RAMAYANA AND MAHAPHARATA - THE HINDU EP'S/POEMS..., AND IN EVERY CORNER OF OUR EXISTENCE, FEAR OF GOD NOT TO DESTOY ENEMIES OF HIS WILL...! YES MY FRIEND, THE CHRISTIANITY AND OTHER RELIGIONS HAVE DEEP ROOTS IN MAKEDONIAN BELIEFS. THAT IS WHY I AM SAYING THAT MAKEDONIA IS MORE THAN ALEXANDER, MORE THAN MAKEDONIA, IT IS WORLD, IT IS LIFE, IT IS ENTERNITY!!!......AS WAS ALEXANDER, I AM TOO, PROUD TO BE ORDINARY CITIZEN OF MY COUNTRY - THE WORLD MAKEDONIA, AS ONCE WAS, AND IS GOING TO BE, IS COMMING LIKE A BEAUTIFULL SILENT WIND FROM EAST AFTER WINTER, ...AS I...THE LIGHT 7000 !PS RECENT EVENT IN FOUNDATION US OF PACIFIC, AFTER US OF AFRICA AND US OF EUROPE, ARE MY "FREEDOM" FROM MY "UP TO DATE ACTIVITIES"..., LOOK FOR MORE, BECAUSE THERE IS NO POWER ON HAEVEN AND EARTH TO STOP UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD OF MAN- MACEDONIAN DREAM TO BECAME WORLD REALITY, NO MY FRIEND, IS COMMING...WITH KIND RESPECT AND REGARDS TO YOU AND ALL
MAY PEACE PREAVAIL ON EARTH FOR EVER
WITH ALL MY LOVE TRUTH AND LIGHT
THE LIGHT 7000
MAY PEACE PREAVAIL ON EARTH FOR EVER
WITH ALL MY LOVE TRUTH AND LIGHT
THE LIGHT 7000
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Have you read my message and you replied to it as you did? Or is your last posting totally unrelated?
Good God in any case!PS
Please stop writting in CAPITAL letters?
Good God in any case!PS
Please stop writting in CAPITAL letters?
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THE LIGHT 7000
Re: Yannis K-"Greece" & Spanish Zeus
Hi my dear friend Yannis K, I hope you are OK, after deep breath...Now re: Greece,I think you are educated man and kind a diplomat of lower rang, and that is good. So my friend, how is possible you or everyone like you to talk about "Greece" in time before 1827, more precisly in time before Christ, when no name "Greece" existed. Even you are saying that "Greece" was conglomerat of so many city state, so that means it was CONGLOMERAT, not KINGDOM, NOT REPUBLIC, NOT EVEN FEDERATION... I do not want to use words like you, becouse of the public, (do you know that just from recently this forum is very popular and is kind of semi official...), and I do not want your lobby to destroy it, like it was with main page, reply's, and everything. So, even you are saying that "Greece" was CONGLOMERAT of city states, it means that each and every of this city states had it's own rules, millitary etc., but they were separated! After Makedonian intervention they become federation, later ligue ... The difference between them and Makedonian Kingdom is huge, like it was between Rome and Makedonia! Rome came on Makedonian foudations, infrastructure, law,etc., and Romans did not change anything, but they cont. with same practice and even same administration and persons, ... (just look at architecture of Alexandria...law, ), Makedonian law was, and is still in use in Europe, after codification of Justinijan, The Emperor of Rome, 6 c.a.d., born near Skopje, the capital of R. of Makedonia, (in Tavor i.e. Taurisimus,), founder of St. Sofia and other - almost all great churces, and by the way, he was one who made today Greeks to be Christians- by force! (Open every enciclopedia and you will find this)! So my friend, the difference is huge, and I do not know how far you can go with not respecting Makedonians and all the citizens of this beautifull planet Earth- our home! Time for change, time for respect and MEAKNESS !!! Be wise...THE LIGHT 7000
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I desided to reply to you on a tik to tat basis because it doesn't make sence otherwise.
So:VASKO: "So my friend, how is possible you or everyone like you to talk about "Greece" in time before 1827, more precisly in time before Christ, when no name "Greece" existed.
REPLY: The Use of the term Greece before 1832 when the modern Greek state was established is, obviously, arbitrary. There was no country named Greece. The name derives from the term "Greek" which was the name used by the Romans for the Hellenes. The term "Hellas" however was extensivelly used from the beggining of Greek history. Since in modern history Greece and Hellas are both used, so it is being done (arbitrarily) for ancient history as well. So it's used just to make our lives easier when we refer to that era.VASKO: Even you are saying that "Greece" was conglomerat of so many city state, so that means it was CONGLOMERAT, not KINGDOM, NOT REPUBLIC, NOT EVEN FEDERATION...
ANSWER: Yes "Greece" (with quotes if you like) was comprised from independant city-states, each one with it's own army, habits, political institutions etc. But they all shared the same language (with many variations - one of them was the Macedonian Doric), believed in the same gods etc. That was the link between them that separated them from the other people.
VASKO: After Makedonian intervention they become federation, later ligue ...
ANSWER: Federations and leagues were in existance long before the era of Philip and Alexander. You haven't read much history have you? Try the part on the Pelloponesian war for a start.VASKO: The difference between them and Makedonian Kingdom is huge, like it was between Rome and Makedonia! Rome came on Makedonian foudations, infrastructure, law,etc., and Romans did not change anything, but they cont. with same practice and even same administration and persons, ... (just look at architecture of Alexandria...law, ), Makedonian law was, and is still in use in Europe, after codification of Justinijan, The Emperor of Rome, 6 c.a.d., born near Skopje, the capital of R. of Makedonia, (in Tavor i.e. Taurisimus,), founder of St. Sofia and other - almost all great churces, and by the way, he was one who made today Greeks to be Christians- by force! (Open every enciclopedia and you will find this)! So my friend, the difference is huge, and I do not know how far you can go with not respecting Makedonians and all the citizens of this beautifull planet Earth- our home! Time for change,
So:VASKO: "So my friend, how is possible you or everyone like you to talk about "Greece" in time before 1827, more precisly in time before Christ, when no name "Greece" existed.
REPLY: The Use of the term Greece before 1832 when the modern Greek state was established is, obviously, arbitrary. There was no country named Greece. The name derives from the term "Greek" which was the name used by the Romans for the Hellenes. The term "Hellas" however was extensivelly used from the beggining of Greek history. Since in modern history Greece and Hellas are both used, so it is being done (arbitrarily) for ancient history as well. So it's used just to make our lives easier when we refer to that era.VASKO: Even you are saying that "Greece" was conglomerat of so many city state, so that means it was CONGLOMERAT, not KINGDOM, NOT REPUBLIC, NOT EVEN FEDERATION...
ANSWER: Yes "Greece" (with quotes if you like) was comprised from independant city-states, each one with it's own army, habits, political institutions etc. But they all shared the same language (with many variations - one of them was the Macedonian Doric), believed in the same gods etc. That was the link between them that separated them from the other people.
VASKO: After Makedonian intervention they become federation, later ligue ...
ANSWER: Federations and leagues were in existance long before the era of Philip and Alexander. You haven't read much history have you? Try the part on the Pelloponesian war for a start.VASKO: The difference between them and Makedonian Kingdom is huge, like it was between Rome and Makedonia! Rome came on Makedonian foudations, infrastructure, law,etc., and Romans did not change anything, but they cont. with same practice and even same administration and persons, ... (just look at architecture of Alexandria...law, ), Makedonian law was, and is still in use in Europe, after codification of Justinijan, The Emperor of Rome, 6 c.a.d., born near Skopje, the capital of R. of Makedonia, (in Tavor i.e. Taurisimus,), founder of St. Sofia and other - almost all great churces, and by the way, he was one who made today Greeks to be Christians- by force! (Open every enciclopedia and you will find this)! So my friend, the difference is huge, and I do not know how far you can go with not respecting Makedonians and all the citizens of this beautifull planet Earth- our home! Time for change,
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THE LIGHT 7000
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Dear Yannis K,.... Now after all we came trough, with your explanation that in fact there is no Greek state before Crist, everythig make sense for everyone,Thank you my friend for telling us well known truth
The Light 7000
The Light 7000
Re: Yannis K-
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that there was no Greek state before 1832. Before that date the Greeks of the past lived in the frame of the Ottoman Empire, before that within the Byzantine empire (which was Hellenized after the 7th-8th century), before within the Roman one etc...Every encyclopaedia can tell you that. Jesus!