Megalamanic Big Boy?

[kenny]

I would like to throw debate on wether Alexander was at all Meglamanic and a believer in his own myth.I would argue not the case and was indeed god fearing and abiding till the end.I would assume were Alexander the total power head some people say with total disregard to anything mortal and even not.When Hepheastion died He didnt just say well im the big cheeese and make hepheastion a god.He sent emiseries to Siwah to as godly advice. Where he was told to honour hepheastion as a hero.He was Always mortal and I do believe he did concure he came from the gods.All the way up to his death he was still making sacrifices and paying homage till he could no longer move.regrdskenny

[jan]

Well, Kenny, I will take you on in this challenge. I believe that megalomania is described about anyone who believes that he is one of the gods, as I read that somewhere. It stuck in my mind.I honestly believe that Alexander was driven by his own belief in his godlike status, and in that belief, he accomplished extraordinary feats. He proved to Athens that he is one of the gods and demanded that they acknowledge it, so that exempts him from the description of being megalomaniac.In other eras, health is often a criteria upon which people determine whether a person is a god or not. When I was studying the life of King Louis XIV who was also considered one of the gods one of the reasons forwarded was that he was always able to overcome illness so quickly and so well, and that he had a great constitution healthwise. Alexander is not the only person considered a demigod or a god, throughout history. Incidentally, in a book I have on Nostradamus, it appears that one quatrain does link Olmpias and Alexander to King Louis XIV and his day. I found that to be very interesting, but anyone can interpret any riddle anyway that they want. However, I am convinced since the kings knew Nostradamus so well that King Louis believed it to be about Alexander and himself so that is why he had commissioned tapestries of Alexander for his pleasure, making one view of ATG entering Babylon resemble King Louis himself too. Modern day texts have changed that original composition.No, I do not believe that Alexander was a true magalomaniac at all. He proved his ability and Athens and the world since have had to acknowledge it as well.

[kenny]

Janet Hail
The word Meglamanic was the only one amongst many attributed to Alexanders later years.
Despotic.Insecure,Tyranical,Alcoholic,Increased Lonelyness all these words and phrases attributed like some shakespearean tragedy. Asif the wheels were comming off he was out of control.Suicidal beacause his soul mate had gone. Everything towards the end is negative and in away an attempt to villify maybe to compare to a society today. Where values are supposed to be better and ideals and human rights more in Keeping for a society 2000 years and supposed to be better than the days of our king?For me and in rational with everything I feel Alexander was totally in control of his life and knew exactly what he was doing. I am a recovering Alcoholic of 9 years now and can catagorically say Alexander was no Alcoholic.kenny

[Paralus]

With the greatest of respect Kenny, given the source material, you (we) are in no real position to judge that.We have moralising from Plutarch (and Arrian) but, not being there, how can we judge that??Like many things with respect to Alexander, we have our view of what we read.Meglomania? Its midnight in Sydney and I'm going to bed. Another day!Paralus

[Athanasios]

Guys,I am not totally convinced on him seeking deitification, but if we were to assume this case, would it not have been in Alexander's favour to become more 'barbaric'? I mean, the Greeks, especially Spartans, were against the idea of any leader or hegemon seeking demi-god status. However, this was not so in the rest of the World, i.e. Persia and Egypt. Would his adoption of such customs made him appear more like a deity? Admittedly the Greeks didn't appear to buy into this...Regards,
Atha

[Athanasios]

Guys,I am not totally convinced on him seeking deitification, but if we were to assume this case, would it not have been in Alexander's favour to become more 'barbaric'? I mean, the Greeks, especially Spartans, were against the idea of any leader or hegemon seeking demi-god status. However, this was not so in the rest of the World, i.e. Persia and Egypt. Would his adoption of such customs made him appear more like a deity? Admittedly the Greeks didn't appear to buy into this...Regards,
Atha

[jan]

Congratulations, Kenny, on your recovery. I am very happy for you.

[jan]

Congratulations, Kenny, on your recovery. I am very happy for you.

[kenny]

Thanks Indeed janAlthough I wouldnt consider it a recovery.I have realised as an alcoholic myself it appears that anything at all to me is addictive.I realised 5 weeks ago I had a four year dependency on Dyhydrocodiene apparently an opiate family. Fair to say I got phneeumonia 4 weeks ago and decided to go cold Turkey.Its fair to say throughout and even now I have prayed to Alexander for a millionth of his strength to get through what has been the worse period of my life by far. Day by day I look for a light at the end of this dark tunnel and a helping hand from Alexander.To be honest I feel a burdon to life and in particular my wife and 2 kids who I am sure deseve better than I.Nothing to do with Alexander but his memory is what is helping me fight this thing. Demonds or what they are but its sure a war.Thanks JanKenny

[kenny]

Thanks Indeed janAlthough I wouldnt consider it a recovery.I have realised as an alcoholic myself it appears that anything at all to me is addictive.I realised 5 weeks ago I had a four year dependency on Dyhydrocodiene apparently an opiate family. Fair to say I got phneeumonia 4 weeks ago and decided to go cold Turkey.Its fair to say throughout and even now I have prayed to Alexander for a millionth of his strength to get through what has been the worse period of my life by far. Day by day I look for a light at the end of this dark tunnel and a helping hand from Alexander.To be honest I feel a burdon to life and in particular my wife and 2 kids who I am sure deseve better than I.Nothing to do with Alexander but his memory is what is helping me fight this thing. Demonds or what they are but its sure a war.Thanks JanKenny

[Paralus]

I've not had to deal with it Kenny, God give you a great deal of strenth.

Kick its arse Kenny!As Alexander's Macedonians would have done, take it head on...."Alalai! Alalai! Alalai!" Paralus.

[Paralus]

I've not had to deal with it Kenny, God give you a great deal of strenth.

Kick its arse Kenny!As Alexander's Macedonians would have done, take it head on...."Alalai! Alalai! Alalai!" Paralus.

[kenny]

Thanks MichaelI know what you say and the physicallity of life and challenge indeed is much easier.A scrap a broken arm indeed the Macedonian war cry and head it on straight to the eye,People and adviseraies i physically fear nothing. But this mind thing is a totally different game. I know not the enemies nor how to hit it.With this in myself and the people in history I know to have had gifts. Van Gough. Laurence Of Arabia. Elvis Presley Even Muhamed Ali. Gifted by the gods yet see how they suffered suffer.I really believe alexander had the total package.The Gift of genius and no demonds within his head I am sure of it. I nearly believe god gave Alexander the total package yet took him away quick.I totally believe were Alexander to fulfil his universal dream then there would be no need for secular religions.The dream of Jesus christ peace love tollerance etc is indeed the ideal.but still fantacy the religion makers twist it all to there own ends.Kenny

[kenny]

Thanks MichaelI know what you say and the physicallity of life and challenge indeed is much easier.A scrap a broken arm indeed the Macedonian war cry and head it on straight to the eye,People and adviseraies i physically fear nothing. But this mind thing is a totally different game. I know not the enemies nor how to hit it.With this in myself and the people in history I know to have had gifts. Van Gough. Laurence Of Arabia. Elvis Presley Even Muhamed Ali. Gifted by the gods yet see how they suffered suffer.I really believe alexander had the total package.The Gift of genius and no demonds within his head I am sure of it. I nearly believe god gave Alexander the total package yet took him away quick.I totally believe were Alexander to fulfil his universal dream then there would be no need for secular religions.The dream of Jesus christ peace love tollerance etc is indeed the ideal.but still fantacy the religion makers twist it all to there own ends.Kenny