Maybe the DNA of the Aigai/Pella remains could answer some of these questions?
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Re: DNA?
Although this thread is going to be deleted, i will answer anyway. There has already been a dna test on ancient bones in the greek territory (from the pelasgian populations,as well as the populations of the classical and hellenistic period)which resulted in 99% similarity with the dna of the modern greeks.I will search and post more about this. I dont know if there has been any specific dna test on the macedonian greeks and the skopjans.And there doesnt have to be one.It is well known that the slavs first came into the balcans in the 7th century a.d.And it is also known that Tito moved many greek populations away from the northen balcans while he was forming Yugoslavia,and brought many slavic populations there.
"Hence we will not say that Greeks fight like heroes, but that heroes fight like Greeks."
Sir Winston Churchill, 1941.
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Re: DNA?
There were tests done by the English on the bones in the gold box from Vergina. The results are too hot to publish.What we do have is DNA evidence connecting modern Macedonians with the Kalash. Did Tito and slavs send them there?Pakistani Kalash CHART
Population hg1 hg2 hg3 hg4 hg7 hg8 hg9 hg10 hg12 hg13 hg16 hg21 hg22 hg26 hg28
Pakistani Kalash 10 39 19 0 0 0 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 25 DISTANCE FROM Pakistani Kalash
Population Distance
1 Yugoslavian 30
2 Indian Uttar Pradesh Rajputs 30
3 Bulgarian 32
4 Northern Swedish 32
5 Ukranian 33
6 Indian Uttar Pradesh Brahmins 33
7 Romanian 33
8 Georgian 34
9 Belarusian 35
10 Norwegian 35
11 Gotlander 35
12 Slovenian 36
13 Pakistani Makrani Negroid 36
14 Pakistani Pathan 37
15 Indian Uttar Pradesh Chamars 37
16 Armenian 38
17 Hungarian 39
18 Chuvash 39
19 Pakistani Burusho 40
20 Czech 40
21 Pakistani Baluch 42
22 Turkish 42
23 Dutch 43
24 Pakistani Balti 43
25 Pakistani Brahui 44
26 Sardinian 45
27 Muslim Kurds 45
28 Icelandic 46
29 Slovakian 46
30 Pakistani Makrani Baluch 46
31 Greek 46 Source: 'Y-Chromosomal Diversity in Europe Is Clinal and Influenced Primarily by Geography, Rather than by Language.' Table 1.
Rosser et al. Am. J. Hum. Genet. 67:1526+óGé¼GÇ£1543, 2000morehttp://web.archive.org/web/20021104200524/www25.brinkster.com/humanraces/calc/haplo_profiles.asp?dbname=ychroms&popid=59andhttp://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender ... tmlRegards
Population hg1 hg2 hg3 hg4 hg7 hg8 hg9 hg10 hg12 hg13 hg16 hg21 hg22 hg26 hg28
Pakistani Kalash 10 39 19 0 0 0 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 25 DISTANCE FROM Pakistani Kalash
Population Distance
1 Yugoslavian 30
2 Indian Uttar Pradesh Rajputs 30
3 Bulgarian 32
4 Northern Swedish 32
5 Ukranian 33
6 Indian Uttar Pradesh Brahmins 33
7 Romanian 33
8 Georgian 34
9 Belarusian 35
10 Norwegian 35
11 Gotlander 35
12 Slovenian 36
13 Pakistani Makrani Negroid 36
14 Pakistani Pathan 37
15 Indian Uttar Pradesh Chamars 37
16 Armenian 38
17 Hungarian 39
18 Chuvash 39
19 Pakistani Burusho 40
20 Czech 40
21 Pakistani Baluch 42
22 Turkish 42
23 Dutch 43
24 Pakistani Balti 43
25 Pakistani Brahui 44
26 Sardinian 45
27 Muslim Kurds 45
28 Icelandic 46
29 Slovakian 46
30 Pakistani Makrani Baluch 46
31 Greek 46 Source: 'Y-Chromosomal Diversity in Europe Is Clinal and Influenced Primarily by Geography, Rather than by Language.' Table 1.
Rosser et al. Am. J. Hum. Genet. 67:1526+óGé¼GÇ£1543, 2000morehttp://web.archive.org/web/20021104200524/www25.brinkster.com/humanraces/calc/haplo_profiles.asp?dbname=ychroms&popid=59andhttp://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender ... tmlRegards
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Re: DNA?
http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPage. ... 15b_r.html
Look at the end where it says: "The limitations are made evident by the authors' extraordinary observations that Greeks are very similar to Ethiopians and east Africans but very distant from other south Europeans; and that the Japanese are nearly identical to west and south Africans. It is surprising that the authors were not puzzled by these anomalous results, which contradict history, geography, anthropology and all prior population-genetic studies of these groups. Surely the ordinary process of refereeing would have saved the field from this dispute." Your basic link and source of the table showing the human races calculator is from a website hosting service.You mind telling us where this table was published initially? Also,this http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articl ... tables-sec
does not say anything about Yugoslavians,slavs,skopjans.
There is this chart though that says it all:http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articl ... e&id=TB1It says that the possible origins of Kalash and Burusho are greek (Alexander's army). You said: "There were tests done by the English on the bones in the gold box from Vergina. The results are too hot to publish."This clame is without any basis.Lets see the results and then we will talk about it.But i guess there are not any results since maybe there wasnt any test in the first place,or if it was the results didnt have anything to do with skopjans and slavs. In conclusion,we have one ridiculous research that was dismissed as it lacks scientific merit,and a dna test on the pakistans that shows that the Kalash and the Burusho have greek origins.Greek,not slavic,since the slavs were not existant at the time of Alexander the Great.And we have one table that shows Yugoslavian origin for the Kalash (which is ridiculous by itself,as Yugoslavia constisted of serbs,slovenians,croatians,skopjans e.t.c who all came from the north,and they are slavs) from an unkwon origin,probably Skopjan.So,stop the ridiculous propaganda.
Look at the end where it says: "The limitations are made evident by the authors' extraordinary observations that Greeks are very similar to Ethiopians and east Africans but very distant from other south Europeans; and that the Japanese are nearly identical to west and south Africans. It is surprising that the authors were not puzzled by these anomalous results, which contradict history, geography, anthropology and all prior population-genetic studies of these groups. Surely the ordinary process of refereeing would have saved the field from this dispute." Your basic link and source of the table showing the human races calculator is from a website hosting service.You mind telling us where this table was published initially? Also,this http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articl ... tables-sec
does not say anything about Yugoslavians,slavs,skopjans.
There is this chart though that says it all:http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articl ... e&id=TB1It says that the possible origins of Kalash and Burusho are greek (Alexander's army). You said: "There were tests done by the English on the bones in the gold box from Vergina. The results are too hot to publish."This clame is without any basis.Lets see the results and then we will talk about it.But i guess there are not any results since maybe there wasnt any test in the first place,or if it was the results didnt have anything to do with skopjans and slavs. In conclusion,we have one ridiculous research that was dismissed as it lacks scientific merit,and a dna test on the pakistans that shows that the Kalash and the Burusho have greek origins.Greek,not slavic,since the slavs were not existant at the time of Alexander the Great.And we have one table that shows Yugoslavian origin for the Kalash (which is ridiculous by itself,as Yugoslavia constisted of serbs,slovenians,croatians,skopjans e.t.c who all came from the north,and they are slavs) from an unkwon origin,probably Skopjan.So,stop the ridiculous propaganda.
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Sir Winston Churchill, 1941.
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Re: DNA?
Oh and i forgot to quote the ending paragraph at the first link which basicly says it all:http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPage. ... 15b_r.html "We believe that the paper should have been refused for publication on the simple grounds that it lacked scientific merit."
"Hence we will not say that Greeks fight like heroes, but that heroes fight like Greeks."
Sir Winston Churchill, 1941.
Sir Winston Churchill, 1941.
asstios that study you posted using a skopje site merely sho
you skopjes you culturally and historically void morons the rest of the scientific has denounced that sydy over and over again yet you poor hapless sjopkje hang on i guess you do not have much so you have on to what ever litle morsels you have howerver uselss
momon lave etan e epitas skopje is poor cowardly void of history and culture remains poor cowardly void of history and culture and will die poor cowardly void of history and culture NEVER MACEDONIAN
momon lave etan e epitas skopje is poor cowardly void of history and culture remains poor cowardly void of history and culture and will die poor cowardly void of history and culture NEVER MACEDONIAN
Re: DNA? GOOD JOB Efstathios
i see you got things covered for a minute there i thight these skopjes were going to try and use another one of thier desperate ploy for thier desperate hopless cause
skopje was is remains and will always be void of history and culture never macedonia
skopje was is remains and will always be void of history and culture never macedonia
Re: DNA?
It is modern science! Do you know your daddy's line?Do they conduct DNA tests in Greece to determine paternity? It is a new thing, it is the final word on relationships. They use it in courts etc. too, it can hang you or save you. So who are the ancient and modern "Greeks" related to? Let us first see the relationships of the Daddys of the living Greeks.
Y-Chromosome Haplogroup Frequency in Selected 69 Eurasian PopulationsGreek CHART
Population hg1 hg2 hg3 hg4 hg7 hg8 hg9 hg10 hg12 hg13 hg16 hg21 hg22 hg26 hg28
Greek 11 22 8 0 0 0 28 0 0 0 0 28 0 3 0DISTANCE FROM Greek
Population Distance
1 Cypriot 8
2 Turkish 21
3 Ashkenazi Jews 23
4 Sephardic Jews 24
5 Romanian 26
6 Muslim Kurds 26
7 Bulgarian 29
8 Armenian 30
9 Kurdish Jews 32
10 Palestinian Arabs 34
11 Algerian 36
12 Hungarian 37
13 Yugoslavian 38
14 Georgian 38
15 Pakistani Makrani Negroid 39
16 Pakistani Parsi 39
17 Italian 39
18 Chuvash 40
19 Indian Uttar Pradesh Brahmins 40
20 Czech 41
21 Ossetian 41
22 Sardinian 41
23 Indian Uttar Pradesh Rajputs 42
24 Pakistani Makrani Baluch 44
25 Pakistani Brahui 44
26 Bedouin 44
27 Slovenian 44
28 Dutch 45
29 Belarusian 46
30 Pakistani Kalash 46
Source: 'Y-Chromosomal Diversity in Europe Is Clinal and Influenced Primarily by Geography, Rather than by Language.' Table 1.
Rosser et al. Am. J. Hum. Genet. 67:1526GÇô1543, 2000Source: 'Y-Chromosomal Diversity in Europe Is Clinal and Influenced Primarily by Geography, Rather than by Language.' Table 1.
Rosser et al. Am. J. Hum. Genet. 67:1526GÇô1543, 2000
Y-Chromosome Haplogroup Frequency in Selected 69 Eurasian PopulationsGreek CHART
Population hg1 hg2 hg3 hg4 hg7 hg8 hg9 hg10 hg12 hg13 hg16 hg21 hg22 hg26 hg28
Greek 11 22 8 0 0 0 28 0 0 0 0 28 0 3 0DISTANCE FROM Greek
Population Distance
1 Cypriot 8
2 Turkish 21
3 Ashkenazi Jews 23
4 Sephardic Jews 24
5 Romanian 26
6 Muslim Kurds 26
7 Bulgarian 29
8 Armenian 30
9 Kurdish Jews 32
10 Palestinian Arabs 34
11 Algerian 36
12 Hungarian 37
13 Yugoslavian 38
14 Georgian 38
15 Pakistani Makrani Negroid 39
16 Pakistani Parsi 39
17 Italian 39
18 Chuvash 40
19 Indian Uttar Pradesh Brahmins 40
20 Czech 41
21 Ossetian 41
22 Sardinian 41
23 Indian Uttar Pradesh Rajputs 42
24 Pakistani Makrani Baluch 44
25 Pakistani Brahui 44
26 Bedouin 44
27 Slovenian 44
28 Dutch 45
29 Belarusian 46
30 Pakistani Kalash 46
Source: 'Y-Chromosomal Diversity in Europe Is Clinal and Influenced Primarily by Geography, Rather than by Language.' Table 1.
Rosser et al. Am. J. Hum. Genet. 67:1526GÇô1543, 2000Source: 'Y-Chromosomal Diversity in Europe Is Clinal and Influenced Primarily by Geography, Rather than by Language.' Table 1.
Rosser et al. Am. J. Hum. Genet. 67:1526GÇô1543, 2000