Why only Parts of Macedonia are Greek

[kennyxx]

For any Greek interest out there.Today the Ancient Capitals and Sights of Philip And Alexander. Pella Vergina. Thessaloniki are part of todays modern Greek to the tourists the area is called Halkidiki.I have always wondered the Greeks claim Macedonia to be part of Greece why therefore is it so selective for this particular part of Macedonia. If indeed Macedonia is or wsa ever Greek why isnt the rest of Macedonia Greek. Instead of ceding part to the Balkans and FRYOM I hope thats right.Is it only Alexander and his legacy for which the Greeks claim Macedonia?kenny

[Efstathios]

Kennyx i think you will have to read about the history of the Byzantine empire too,which from 500 a.d and later on became a completely greek empire.And the lands that are now Bulgaria,Fyrom(Skopja) and Albania were part of the empire back then.The first non greek people that settled in the area were slavs who descended from the north at a later date.And they were few.Later on, the Byzantine empire was taken by the Ottoman Turks and these lands were also enslaved.Some slavs lived there.Until 1821 when the greek revolution took place there were still many greeks up there,and the lands were today is Skopja and Bulgaria and Albania and Serbia were called "Paradounabeies hgemonies",meaning the kingdoms around river Dounavis. It wasnt until the 20th century that Tito formed Yugoslavia and these places were inhabbited by slavs (serbians,croatians and bosnians mostly),and Albania was created in the north of Hipirus consisting of Serbians,some Italians,and Turks.(1912).

[i makedonia ine Elliniki]

judging by your post you have no knowledge of the ancient greek world, or modern greek world. fyrom is trying to create something out of nothing.
they have no identity, culture, language. they are trying to grasp and cling on to an identity they have no knowledge about. they are a bulgrian slavic race that migrated south in to Macedonia around 600ad. they speak a slavic language.everything in ancient macedonia has greek inscriptions on it. greek language, text etc.. etc.. architecture, customs, rituals, they beleived in the same gods as the athenians, sicilians, trojans, spartans etc etc.... fyrom claim macedonia, but are yet to provide anyone, including themselves of written, proven evidence in their slavic tongue of anything to do with Alexander the Great, Macedonia. they are a fictitious country with a ficticious languge, trying so hard to be something out of NOTHING. by the way, Halkidiki is a prefecture of Macedonia.
Macedonia is a STATE in modern Greece. There are 13 prefectures in Macedonia Greece. There are 52 prefectures in Greece all up.

[marcus]

As a rule I don't get involved in these discussions - and Kenny, you can see why we discourage this discussion because it has b**ger all to do with Alexander. Still, I can't resist putting my oar in on this one. You say:"they are a fictitious country with a ficticious languge ..."Well, pardon me for being pedantic, but as FYROM very clearly exists, I find it hard to see any justification for using the word "fictitious".Anyway, can we all please stop, now, before it gets nasty (which it isn't at the moment). The modern situation has nothing to do with Alexander, and we're straying there. ATBMarcus

[i makedonia ine elliniki]

"they are a fictitious country with a ficticious languge ..."Well, pardon me for being pedantic, but as FYROM very clearly exists, I find it hard to see any justification for using the word "fictitious".yiasou,your not being pedantic, fyrom clearly exists, unfortunately for Alexander the Great. fyrom seem to only claim everything Alexander the Great. they forget the 400 years of greek history preceding Alexander the Great in Macedonia. fictitious, trying to create something out of nothing. fictitious as these people were unheard of before the collapse of Yugoslavia. fictitious names, country, history, identity etc.. etc... their ancestors are referred to as bulgarians, not macedonians. macedonians are greek.the word 'fictitious' has to be utilised. fyrom are a slavic race. bulgarian and serbian. these two nationalities living in fyrom this early century were forced to change their names under the Tito govt, aiding the way for a fictitious identity.e.g. a bulgarian name like Nadjov was forced to change their name to Nadjovski and yes call it Macedonian. sad but true. that is why I utilise 'fictitious' as they are a slavic race that have pitched up a tent in "fyrom" long enough to begin claims on everything ancient greek, including Alexandros.and your right. the modern situation doesnt have anything to do with the ancient greeks. however this modern situation is killing greek history including ATG.ATG is not a slavobulgarian ancestor.

[Efstathios]

Marcus,i am afraid that this story has a lot to do with Alexander.Because in some decades history may consider him as a slav.History can be changed easily.It only takes persistance,and if the opposing arguments are not heard or the people dont know them history will be changed.As it has happened many times the last 1500 years. Every country in the world now reffers to Skopja as Macedonia.If you ask people in America or Australia or Southern Africa what is Macedonia,they will tell you that it is a small country in the Balcans.And if people say that now imagine what they will say in 100 years.That ATG was a slav?Maybe. So you see why this is an important debate.And why all arguments must be heard.If someone back in 18th century said ATG was a slav they would point at him and laugh at him.But now they wont.They may reconsider it.Because historical truth and evidence is concealed under the name of "greek propaganda".Even when it's being heard from non-greeks.

[marcus]

I give up.The rules of the Pothos forum strictly places discussion of the modern political situation as out of bounds - for the very reason that this happens.ATBMarcus

[i Give up too]

i give up too. as previously said above, the world will one day know Alexander the Great as:"Goran the Great", leader of all the slavs who conquered the east paving the way for bulgarian slavic language. these modern day 'fyromians' have nothing to do with the Ancient Greeks. e.g. Macedonians, Spartans, Athenians, Trojans, Sicilians, Arcadians, Thebans, Thessalians etc... etc.... all Greek.yia

[Paralus]

Time to "Darlek" the thread Marcus: "Exterminate!"Kenny's been a bad, bad boy! In shall write to him in stern language.Paralus

[kennyxx]

This is getting plain AnalSlvakia. Bulgaria and the likes wasnt bloody known 2000 years ago. It was Macedonia, Greece, Thrace and other regions.All this Balkan stuff and areas are reatively new.Alexander was a Macedonian for god sake. The real debate is was Macedonia Greek. I would argue at the Time Greece was part of Macedonia. Macedonia was the king Rat at that time and Greece part of The Macedonian empire.Slovaks and Bulgarians . Boo ha.Kenny

[kennyxx]

History and A Geography Lesson3000bc. The areas of that area were; THrace to the North. Macedonia Below.Epirus to the west. Thessalia to the Middle east of the Region and the Peleponese in the Bottom Peninsual.The People to the North Were; Dardanians, Paeones,Agrianes ,Odreyses and Trivoloi.Now no Bulgaria. Slovakia nor Balkan states. So where does the stupid line come from that these regions were before Macedonia. Hve I stepped from the Plane onto fantasy Island here, It sure looks like it with the sill arguements going on here.Kenny

[Xazoi Egglezoi]

pleaseyour teaching a Greek, history???? your a comedian. boo-ha. when i refer to bulgarian, i refer to the modern situation. ie. the fyrom people are bulgarian and are not related to the ancient macedonians who were GREEK. sounds like you need a history lesson.read my posts correctly buddy. or try roman history.

[marcus]

Kenny, you're inflaming the thread. Just keep quiet! :-)M

[kennyxx]

Todays modern Bulgarians stem from somewhere in Asia Not Even European let alone Macedonians.My history is pretty good thankswhere is the otheer Info comming from. Aru yoi sayingMacedonia was made up of Bulgaria.Fryrum and the other teeny Balkhan states

[Paralus]

This thread needs nixing.Before that it needs be said that the extraordinary efforts put in by successive Macedonian kings (from Alexander I down through Archaelaus and to Philip II) to portray themselves as "Greek" (for whatever that may have meant in an ancient peninsular where citizenship may have ended some several kilometres from a city's Agora) speaks volumes.An invented lineage through Argos to "Greek heroes" so as to allow participation in the first post Persian invasion Olympic Games is a fiction not readily believed in ancient times. A fiction made fact by fiat of Philip's power politics and confirmed by his "Olympic statue".When Alexander is threatened in the Clietus murder he calls for his guard. Does he call in Greek? No, in "Macedonian". These are the" Royal Guards", those that in a battle line form up alongside the phalanx. It is instructive.Later, during the wars of the Diadochoi, Eumenes (Alexander's "secretary") sends a "Macedonian" to entice the infantry (a Macedonian phalanx) of the other side (Craterus) to change sides. A Macedonian was sent so as he could be understood. It is evident that the Macedonian infantry was not ever expected to be as "Greek" as were their court.The "Greeks" always considered the Macedones different. But then, they thought the same of the Thessalonians at times.Something to ponder.Paralus