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Alexander, Homer, and the tumulus of Achilles

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Steered to a website by Rogueclassicsm last week, I found an article on The Tumuli of Achilles. Alexander references within the article read thus:
Achilles died at Troy and was buried there, ancient myth and poetry agree. After his corpse was burned on a pyre, a great tomb, or tumulus, was heaped up over his bones. But the tumulus of Achilles is not just a mythological motif; it has also been regarded as a real piece of topography in the landscape of the Troad. At times in antiquity rituals were performed at what was considered to be the tomb, in cult worship of the hero. And many famous visitors, such as Alexander the Great, visited the burial place of Achilles to pay their respects. Over the past few centuries, a number of modern visitors have also sought out the tomb of Achilles, as have, more recently, archaeologists—though they often disagreed about which burial mound was the tomb of Achilles. This paper will explore the intersections between myth, ritual, politics, and archaeology in reference to the burial site of Achilles.
As for visitation to the Troad, much depended on who was visiting and where they were proceeding after that. Xerxes stopped by Troy before invading Greece, sacrificing to Athena and making libations to “heroes,” though we do not hear of his visiting tombs. In 334 BC Alexander the Great, styling himself a second Achilles conquering eastern barbarians, visited the tomb of Achilles. He ran naked to the tomb of Achilles and laid a wreath there, while his close friend Hephaistion performed similar rituals at a nearby mound identified as the tomb of Patroklos. Later still Mehmet II, the conqueror of Constantinople, reportedly visited the tombs of Ajax and Achilles. He was said to have fancied himself an avenger of Troy, but he may have seen a need to appease ancient Greek heroes in this mission, much as Alexander in his previous visit to Troy sought to placate the shade of Priam.
Political considerations are prominent in Philostratus' account of the Thessalian cult worship of Achilles in the Troad. When the Thessalians sided with the Persians during the invasion of Xerxes, it is reported by Philostratus, they abandoned the cult of Achilles. Later under Macedonian rule they returned to the practice because of Alexander's fascination with Achilles. [41] In other words, Thessalian attention to a Troad cult of Achilles reflected how their political rulers identified with the myth of the Trojan war.
(Note 41) Philostratus Heroikos 53.14–53.17.
Flexibility about Achilles' tumulus is demonstrated elsewhere in the ancient world. Alexander's ritual actions at the Troad presume separate tumuli for Achilles and Patroklos, which contradicts the conception of Alexander's beloved Homer, according to which the bones of Achilles were mixed with the bones of Patroklos and the two were buried under one great funeral mound. This non-Homeric conception of separate tumuli for Achilles and Patroklos is reflected in other ancient sources, (45) and will often be found in post-antiquity, as we shall see. Not only is there little Homeric interest in the exact location of Achilles' tumulus, but some who claimed inspiration from Homer display little care for what the Homeric passages actually state.
(Note 45) Strabo XIII 1.32, Arrian I 12.1; see Pfister 1909–1912:306–307
So, the admixture of politics and religion rears its head again in respect to the Thessalians and Alexander. Paralus will no doubt find that noteworthy. More intriguing are the remarks about Alexander’s non-Homeric conception of separate tumuli for Achilles and Patroklos. What does this mean with regard to Alexander’s visit to the tombs? A man who carried around Aristotle’s annotated version of the Iliad must surely have known the details of the burials. Could a slightly different version of Homer have come down to us than that which was known in Alexander’s time? It’s possible, I suppose, but seems unlikely. Is it more probable that Alexander knew that the heroes were buried together, but didn’t care because the main reason for the visit to the tombs was to demonstrate the importance of Hephaistion and the role he was to play in Alexander’s life; i.e., the honoring of Achiles and Patroklos was secondary to the honor shown to Hephaistion? For if they both were to have run around one tumulus (thought to contain both bodies) the significance of the event as regards Hephaistion’s relationship to Alexander may not have been as apparent. Just throwing out thoughts here …

Burgess refers to Arrian and Strabo as ancient sources which reflect the “non-Homeric conception of separate tumuli.” Now Arrian’s excerpt is about Alexander’s visit but I don’t know in what context Strabo refers to separate tombs. It may also be in reference to Alexander (which means I missed an excerpt), but unfortunately the relevant page on the Perseus web site seems not to be functioning. But could the conception of separate tumuli that “will often be found in post antiquity” also date back to Alexander’s visit?

All in all it’s a small matter, but I find it intriguing. Thoughts, anyone?

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amyntoros wrote:Burgess refers to Arrian and Strabo as ancient sources which reflect the “non-Homeric conception of separate tumuli.” Now Arrian’s excerpt is about Alexander’s visit but I don’t know in what context Strabo refers to separate tombs. It may also be in reference to Alexander (which means I missed an excerpt), but unfortunately the relevant page on the Perseus web site seems not to be functioning. But could the conception of separate tumuli that “will often be found in post antiquity” also date back to Alexander’s visit?

All in all it’s a small matter, but I find it intriguing. Thoughts, anyone?

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A lot to take in, but here's an initial thought. As we know, the myths about Troy were by no means set in stone, and they underwent various amendments, alterations, flexes, and whatever, from almost as soon as Homer was first written down. Therefore, I wouldn't find it strange that a totally different legend about the tombs existed alongside Homer's single tumulus ... about which the ancients would not have been at all surprised or perplexed. Even though Alexander knew his Homer, I imagine he would not have been at all concerned that his tour-leader, upon reaching Troy, informed him that there were two tumuli. As you suggest, it might actually have been helpful vis a vis Hephaestion (although I'm not entirely sure why running round 2 rather than 1 would make much difference - am I being thick this evening?).

I suppose that what I'm trying to suggest is that, with Greek myth being as flexible and fluid as it is/was, and with the easy way in which the Greeks (and others) syncretised and took over other peoples' myths and legends, I can imagine that they took anomalies in their stride, without their affecting their own belief.

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marcus wrote:As you suggest, it might actually have been helpful vis a vis Hephaestion (although I'm not entirely sure why running round 2 rather than 1 would make much difference - am I being thick this evening?).

I suppose that what I'm trying to suggest is that, with Greek myth being as flexible and fluid as it is/was, and with the easy way in which the Greeks (and others) syncretised and took over other peoples' myths and legends, I can imagine that they took anomalies in their stride, without their affecting their own belief.
Oh, I think Amyntoros has this nailed. Religion/politics and generating the message – that’s – in large part – what we have here.

I’d agree that news from the “tour guide” of two tumuli would not have upset any applecarts. Further, if it were generally believed by the locals that two “existed”, I’d suspect that it was known to Alexander.

That being the case, Hephaestion’s naked romp around the supposed tumulus of Patroklos serves to drive home both the primacy of Hephaestion among Alexander’s companions and the importance of the relationship to him. It neatly makes the statement that “I (Alexander) am Achilles and this is my esteemed Patroklos. He has my love and my favour”.

The other Macedonians were, if not already, now rudely aware of the pecking order for affection and everything that follows. As should the Persians have been following the melodramatic hurling of the spear into Asian soil. They, too, would know just who it was that carried a spear for them.
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Interesting point about pyres and burial sites!

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Actually, this is all very interesting if you want to really dig into it. Most likely, the possibility of stories being jumbled through time is the most likely after all and if Achilles and Patroclus were intertwined in death as in life, it would be only symbolic to have a tomb for them for Alexander to dance around. I acutally like this point of the contradictions, and glad you brought it out into the open, as well, as the natural acceptance of one's body for which there is no shame when the two danced at the tomb anyway! What is wrong with toay's societies to be so judgmental about this? I had thought that Alexander had found Achlle's armor and shield there too, but I read that so long ago I may be getting it jumbled too. It has been a long time since I began this study.

And now I am into Genghis Khan who makes me think of Alexander too in many ways, but a whole lot different in other ways...I found a quote from Mary Renault in a book about Genghis too, and that amazed me. Small, small world after all!

As with Alexander, a vision and image came calling on me, so here I go...off and running to Genghis Khan and Mongolia now! :roll:
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jan wrote: I had thought that Alexander had found Achlle's armor and shield there too, but I read that so long ago I may be getting it jumbled too. It has been a long time since I began this study.
Hi Jan,

You recall correctly. Rather than finding the armour, however, it was already being kept in the Athena temple, and Alexander took it away (after depositing his own by way of recompense).

The peddlars of tourist trinkets haven't changed in over 2,000 years ... "Oh, sir, here is the very real armour of Achilles, oh yes. For sale? No, I couldn't possibly. Ancient relics, y'see. What? You're his descendant? Well, I never, nobody ever told me that, your worship. Well, seeing as it's you, and ... well ... old Eratosthenes down the road does have a few trinkets, but they're all fake, while this is the genuine article ... oh yes, indeed, yer honner ... what, leave your own in exchange? And you are the Macedonian king, you say? I couldn't possibly ... well, perhaps I could be persuaded ... just don't tell the wife, she'd have me guts, if you know what I'm saying, he he he; go on, then, but behind the curtain if you don't mind, in case anyone sees. And what with the market inspector due this morning, tut tut, you'll be the ruin of me ..."

(Sorry, got carried away). :lol:

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Re: Interesting point about pyres and burial sites!

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marcus wrote:Even though Alexander knew his Homer, I imagine he would not have been at all concerned that his tour-leader, upon reaching Troy, informed him that there were two tumuli. As you suggest, it might actually have been helpful vis a vis Hephaestion (although I'm not entirely sure why running round 2 rather than 1 would make much difference - am I being thick this evening?).
I also imagine that the "tourist office" at Troy would not have been at all concerned if Alexander turned up and asked "Where is the tomb of Patroklos?" Even if they'd never known of such a tomb, I guarantee they would have "located" said tomb in a heartbeat! (Much like your post about the armor, above. :) )

The difference in running around two tumuli is that of association - Alexander with Achilles, Hephaistion with Patroklos. The funny thing is - unless I've forgotten something - not one of the sources actually says that they each ran around a tomb, yet no one has corrected me! I'm guilty of conflating information from different sources. Arrian (1.12.1) and Aelian (12.7) say that they each laid a wreath on the respective tombs, while Plutarch (15.4-5) says that Alexander ran a race by the tombstone of Achilles with his companions. I wondered why I remembered it this way until I checked some of my biographies. Peter Green, for instance, tells us that "Alexander and his inseperable companion Hephaestion laid wreaths on the tombs of Achilles and Patroclus respectively (which Aelian took to mean that they enjoyed a similar relationship) and then ran a race around them, naked and annointed with oil, in the traditional fashion."

Not that this changes anything and my earlier comments apply whether wreathes were placed or races were run. But I find it fascinating how easily we absorb information from modern biographies without even realizing it. :)

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amyntoros wrote:The funny thing is - unless I've forgotten something - not one of the sources actually says that they each ran around a tomb, yet no one has corrected me! I'm guilty of conflating information from different sources. Arrian (1.12.1) and Aelian (12.7) say that they each laid a wreath on the respective tombs, while Plutarch (15.4-5) says that Alexander ran a race by the tombstone of Achilles with his companions. I wondered why I remembered it this way until I checked some of my biographies. Peter Green, for instance, tells us that "Alexander and his inseperable companion Hephaestion laid wreaths on the tombs of Achilles and Patroclus respectively (which Aelian took to mean that they enjoyed a similar relationship) and then ran a race around them, naked and annointed with oil, in the traditional fashion."
Well, well, how right you are. Although I know that you have access to all the source material on Hephaestion that I do, I still checked it out, and find you are quite right. No mention at all in Diodorus, Justin, or (of course) Curtius; and Arrian and Plutarch don't mention it. Similarly, no mention in any of the other authors.

Unless someone can suggest a source reference that we don't have, it looks as if this is, indeed, another piece of misinformation.

Of course, if he ran a naked race around the tomb with his "companions" then technically he did, indeed, run the race with Hephaestion; but the implication in Green (and whoever else) is that it was just those two.

Another two points to Amyntoros! :wink:

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I suspect that it is reading too much into Arrian and Aelian to conclude that
Alexander's ritual actions at the Troad presume separate tumuli for Achilles and Patroklos
The word that is being translated as tomb or tumulus is actually taphos, which has more the sense of a grave or burial. I don't see any real objection to having more than one burial (taphoi :!: ) in a single tumulus. If our sources had wanted to suggest separate tumuli, then they should have used the Greek word sema, which is literally used as the equivalent of tumulus in Latin. In fact Plutarch speaks of a stele of Achilles being crowned by Alexander. There could have been a stele of Patroclus next to it on the same tumulus and the two stelae would have been taphoi. Strabo refers to mnemata (memorials) of Achilles and Patroclus, which is also a bit ambiguous and could mean stelae.

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The word that is being translated as tomb or tumulus is actually taphos, which has more the sense of a grave or burial. I don't see any real objection to having more than one burial (taphoi Exclamation ) in a single tumulus. If our sources had wanted to suggest separate tumuli, then they should have used the Greek word sema, which is literally used as the equivalent of tumulus in Latin. In fact Plutarch speaks of a stele of Achilles being crowned by Alexander. There could have been a stele of Patroclus next to it on the same tumulus and the two stelae would have been taphoi. Strabo refers to mnemata (memorials) of Achilles and Patroclus, which is also a bit ambiguous and could mean stelae.
Actually Sema ( Σήμα) was also a burial ground of important people and for the fallen of wars, in Athens. The Demosio Sema (Δημόσιο Σήμα). It wasnt the equivalent of tumulus, as far as i know. The graves of Solon, Cleisthenes, Pericles, and many others are there, although little parts of it have been excavated yet. I dont know if others except Athens used the word Sema for a burial ground. But the word tumulus in Greek is tymvos (τύμβος). If only the word "taphos" was used in the sources for the tomb of Achilles, then we are talking about either a normal grave on the ground with a stele, or a tomb like a mausloleum, like that of Philip II.
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Hello,

I haven't been posting much but I am trying to read the posts.

I find this observation quite intersting that it was never mentioned in the sources that Alexander never ran round the grave of Achilles.

I know it is a long shot but it may be that in the sources it may be mentioned at some other occasion but this would require research. I mean that for example, when it is mentioned that the shield Peucestas uses to protect Alexander from the Malian people, it maybe mentioned that the shield was taken shortly after he ran around Achilles' grave but like I say it is an extremely long shot.
I have to be honest that I also have read in novels too this idea of running around the graves- in Manfredi for example. Is there anything of tradition in this running around the graves of heroes ???

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Efstathios wrote:Actually Sema ( Σήμα)... wasnt the equivalent of tumulus, as far as i know.
Hi Efstathios,

A definition of Sema in an old edition of Liddell & Scott's Greek-English Lexicon reads "a mound, barrow, Lat. tumulus, to mark a tomb by: generally, a grave, tomb."

For examples of this use, try the Iliad 2.814 "but the immortals call it the grave-mound (sema) of Myrine, light of step." and 6.419 "heaped over him a mound (sema)" - Loeb translations.

Alexander's own tomb was described as a sema by Zenobius and John Chrysostom.

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Taphoi wrote:Alexander's own tomb was described as a sema by Zenobius and John Chrysostom.
I have a longer response to the new posts, not yet finished, but I want to ask a quick question about the above.

If sema means tumulus and that's the word the ancients used when describing a mound over a grave, should we presume then that there was a mound over Alexander's tomb in Alexandria? If so, how then were visiting dignatories able to view the body?

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Hi amyntoros,

Sema originally meant a marking, then since grand tombs were marked with tumuli, it came to mean a grave-mound, then, because grave-mounds were the tombs of important people, it came to mean a grand tomb in general.

Alexander's first tomb in Alexandria may well have had a traditional Macedonian tumulus. But it would have covered a tomb resembling those found in the great tumulus at Vergina. The famous tomb, built by Philopator and referred to by Zenobius, was probably a mausoleum similar to that of Mausolus himself. The tomb chamber would have been carved into the rock beneath the building. Caesar went down into the tomb chamber, but Octavian had the coffin brought out. The rest is history...

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After further research i found out that Sema actually meant taphos (grave).

In Plato's "Kratylos and about names" it is mentioned that ΣΩΜΑ=ΣΗΜΑ ΤΗΣ ΨΥΧΗΣ. (Body = the sema of the soul).

So generally they could use the word sema for a taphos. So the tumulus could also be called sema.

The exact word for a tumulus though is "tymvos". It's the tymvos of the salaminomaxoi ( those that fell in Salamina), and the tymvos of Marathon.

In Achilles situation it probably was just a normal grave, as no mausoleums have been found , or tumuli in that area. (At least i think so).
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Sema originally meant a marking, then since grand tombs were marked with tumuli, it came to mean a grave-mound, then, because grave-mounds were the tombs of important people, it came to mean a grand tomb in general.
And you are absolutely right. Sema in modern and ancient greek is generally the sign, or signal, or mark. It was also the stele, or stones, or a vaze that they would put on a grave so that they recognised it, a marking, and because of that the tomb gotten to be called sema.

("gotten to be called". Is that in any way correct?)

But still it generally means grave, and not specificly tumulus.

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