Macedonians and Alexander were Greek-The evidence is clear c

[Demirios Poliorkets]

The Macedonians were mentioned as part of the Greek family by Hesoid in 750 BC.This was 400 yrs
before Alexander so Hesoid would have no reason to lie to claim Alexander's accomplishments.Herodotus 100 yrs before Alexander firmly stated that the Macedonians were the tribe from which the Dorians emerged before proceeding south into the Peloponese.Since Herodutus was himself Dorian he was clearly able to identify the language practices and traditions of the Macedonians with the Dorians.Macedonian kings claimed to be decendent from the Mycenean House of Argos and this was accepted by other Greeks.As for Alexander lets see not only did he state he was Greek by blood ( BTW Alexander was 1/2 MACEDONIAN GREEK AND 1/2 EPIROITI GREEK)he considered himself an ancestor of Achilles and carried a copy of the Illiad ( The Bible of the Greek Race)with him.The name Alexandros is entirely Greek Alex ( to protect and resist and Andros (Man).Thus Alexandros means to protect man .The Macedonian spoke a Doric Greek diolect ( however the upper class spoke Attic or Athenian Greek),worshipped Greek Gods who originated on Mt Olympus in Macedonia,considered themselves decendent from Greek heros and Greek kings.They were mentioned as part of the Greek race in 8th century BC by Hesoid and participated in the Olympic games.In all areas conqured by Alexander the Greek language and institutions were established.The Greekness of Macedonia is confirmed by primary sources ,archeological evidence and linquistics.So Alexander and the Macedonians were Greek.Get over it!!!! BTW Fyroms main enemy is Albanian nationalist who seek a greater Albania not Greeks Bulgarians or Serbs.
Here is what they have to say the leaders of FYROM sayWe are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That's who we are!
We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia.
The ancient Macedonians no longer exist, they had disappeared from history long time ago.
Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th century (AD)."
Quote from FYROM'S President Mr. Kiro Gligorov.
(from the Toronto Star newspaper, March 15, 1992) 22 January 1999: FYROM'S Ambassador in Washington, Mrs. Ljubica Acevshka, gave a speech on the present situation in the Balkans. At the end of her speech answering questions Mrs. Acevshka said: "We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great." "Greece is FYROM'S second largest trading partner, and its number one investor. Instead of opting for war,

[THE LIGHT 7000]

HI MY FRIEND,
JANNE ROMALE, it means in Geepsy/Rom's language do you speak Gypsy language, like CIFAC BUNESHTI, in VLACH, or MIRDITA, like NATANAMIR- Albanian, KAKO SI,/ HOW ARE YOU= in Makedonian,NEAPARSAN in Turkish, TI KANIS -GREEK,... so all these are recognesed as a facts, I mean they are real people not only statistics, ONLY IN MAKEDONIA! Greece is not recognizing any of them, if one is speaking publicly that he is Makedonian in makedonian language, he is jailed- yes IN GREECE. So now after jails, tortures...., Greeks are not recognizing any of them, nor their cultural herritage, how come even now, Chinise went in space, people are going to Mars, space is next corner, and look at this now!... Your reference to yours favourites- ex President of Makedonia, Mr. Gligorov, that he changed the name of Makedonia, and therefore identity of all Makedonians is fact, but is fact that it was/is under Greek enormous pressure and blackmails on international level, some of those are on the agenda still- like the name FYROM! How is possible that even today, when there is no Yugoslavia de facto and de jure!, Makedonia to be forced by Greeks to use name Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia- one of the greatest missery of world diplomacy today! So regarding this, you should know that it is past, we are leaving in this present, and present is connected with past, so there is continuity in Makedonian stathood from Makedonian Kingdom from Alexander and Filip, as a fact! So you should stick with your history, becouse there are some elements that are correct in your entry, but they are on the table for revise, spetialy those about Mikena! Acctually, the civilisation was comming from north to south, not vice versa, and as you are saying.. upper, do not thing that this civilisation began with it, no my friend, it is much much older, and is deeply connected with peonia and Edonia, in today R. of Makedonia.About your comment re:Athens, you should know that Athena (ATINA=TATINA=DADDY"S /girl, DOUGHTER OF ZEUS...), Athens was esteblished as a city ctate almost 10 years later than first Makedonian kingdom as a Kingdom-State! There is huge difference between them from various perspectives,mainly re: state and city state!...Re: my introduction in this reply, you should know that migrations were there from beginig of the world, so we are tracing here official statments, but even there are strong scientific evidence of Greeks being from Subsaharioan origin, living on M

[THE LIGHT 7000]

cont.
About your comment re:Athens, you should know that Athena (ATINA=TATINA=DADDY"S /girl, DOUGHTER OF ZEUS...), Athens was esteblished as a city ctate almost 10 years later than first Makedonian kingdom as a Kingdom-State! There is huge difference between them from various perspectives,mainly re: state and city state!...Re: my introduction in this reply, you should know that migrations were there from beginig of the world, so we are tracing here official statments, but even there are strong scientific evidence of Greeks being from Subsaharioan origin, living on Makedonian soil for centuries,( according to all info. Greeks use to settle on Makedonian soil around 15 c.bc.), one will expect mixed friendship, marieges, partnership etc.,( so only fools are to deny this, same is with Filip and Olimpia, ie Alexander himself), taht were fact than too. So we are talking history and facts, but there should be no strict straight cut for anything, becouse of facts about peoples relationships to each other from the begining of this world. So my friend, be wise and avoid extreme glorious statments like this, becouse as i said, history is to be rewritten, so is no good to play with peoples emotions any more, over nothing, over shared history, shared land,... It should be past, the future belongs to all with meakness,.. Becouse of statments like this all the troubles begans on the Balkan. in fact, that is the next, it is no tru that Albanians are the biggest ennemies of Makedonians. Everyone is manipulated for purpose, but with God's will everything is settling well with respect towards all, as it is in my first sentence of this reply,...
The Light 7000

[yiannis]

You've started to go downslope Vasko. How pityfull! You have really revealed your true self, aside of the "love and peace" stuff.However, can everyone please stop posting out of the scope of this forum?
Susan, Nick, you better start the deleting and apologies for my contribution to this situation!

[THE LIGHT 7000]

Dear yannis K,This is first time that I am 100% with you my friend, but i thought maybe you are doing some propagandist cheap ....! Sorry if it was not you!With respect
The Light 7000

[THE LIGHT 7000]

PS
Dear Yannis
... I said that i am with you 100% re; some persons using diferent names and making touble here accusing moderators, and this is happaning when somthing interesting is comming to light re; Makedonia and Makedonians. Recently there were changes due to that, again Perseus started talk about Neo Nazi promoting somthing, now you again ... What is the matter with you,...We/ I am the one who spouse to react becouse of not this, yes more re: next entry re;FYROM, but we/I am not jumping over it, moderators knows what is the best, but sometime they are not able to do something becouse of many things,.. This is just to make you aware that something very obvious is going on, but not for long. On the other hand, let the people talk, freedom of expression, until they are going into privicy, that is not legal! Any way, just to make you aware that I am still arround for a while, becouse as I said, somthing interesting is comming to light... See Afganistan and Makedonians, the facts presented by me and your effort to discredit me and all,.. now can you see what is going on. Stavros asked me about book, saying I know everything, maybe he was right, somhow it is in me, but this is end of the story, somone else will cont....By the way, my relpy to Demiris is true, pure Light and love towards all, so what is wrong with that. Even Demiros/Demiris is Turkish name, so I spouse to ask him BILERAM TURCHE- DO YOU SPEAK TURKISH, but he changed name, so it is wrong. Re: this, you was one who was saying that Makedonia is salad, yes, but with very respected and known ingrediens, that is not, unfortunatelly for Greece, which is bigger salad than Makedonia with not known ingrediens. They should be known very soon, ...
The Light 7000

[giannakos bill]

you have absolutely right.If you search the etymology of the makedonian months you will see tha all of them are greek.After that you will see in Plutarch that Alexander was ancestor of Herkules and Aiakos.I am Macedonian.

[yiannis]

Vasko, I won't bother replying to the rest of your rambling, only to the "demiris" part. This guy signed not as "demiris" (whatever that is) but as "Demetrios". DEMETRIUS m Ancient Greek (Latinized)
Latin form of the Greek name Demetrios, which was derived from the name of the Greek goddess DEMETER (1). Kings of Macedon and the Seleucid kingdom have had this name. This was also the name of several early saints including a Saint Demetrius who was martyred in the 4th century.

[Demetrius Poliorketes]

Even Demiros/Demiris is Turkish name, so I spouse to ask him BILERAM TURCHE- DO YOU SPEAK TURKISH Vas you are obviously not familiar with Mac edonian history to imply Demitrios is a Turkish name.This should improve your knowlege in the area.As you can see 2 of the Macedonian Kings were named Demitrios.
ARGEAD DYNASTY
Karanos (c. Late 9th/Early 8th Cent.)
Koinos (c. Mid-8th Cent.)
Tyrimmas (c. Late 8th/Early 7th Cent.)
Perdikkas I (c. 670-652)
Argaios I (652-621)
Philip I (621-588)
Aeropos I (588-68)
Alketas (568-40)
Amyntas I (540-498)
Alexander I (c. 498-454)
Perdikkas II (c. 454-413)
Archelaus (413-399)
Orestes (399-396)
Aeropos II (396-393)
Pausanias (393)
Amyntas II the Little (393)
Amyntas III (392-370)
Argaios II (390)
Alexander II (370-368)
Ptolemy Alorites (368-365)
Perdikkas III (365-359)
Philip II (359-336)
Alexander III the Great (336-323)
Philip III Arhidaios (323-317)
Alexander IV Aegeos (323-309)
RIVAL KINGS: 309-301 B.C.
Kassander
Antigonos I Monophthalmos
Demetrios I
Lysimachos
Seleukos Soter
Ptolemy Lagos
ANTIPATRID DYNASTY
Kassander (301-297)
Philip IV (297)
Antipater (297-294)
Alexander V (297-294)
RIVAL RULERS
Demetrius I (294-287)
Pyrrhos (287-285)
Lysimachos (285-281)
Ptolemy Keraunos (281-279)
ANARCHY
Meleager (279)
Antipater Etesias (279)
Sosthenes (279-277)
ANTIGONID DYNASTY
Antigonos II Gonatas (277-239)
Demetrios II (239-229)
Antigonos III Doson (229-222)
Philip V (222-179) See all the names of the Kings are Greek begining with Karanos--Greek for leader also used in Sparta
which was Doric in origin like Macedonia.A town in Crete is called Karanos.Dorians settleted in Crete as well. As for other hard evidencehttp://www.cc.ece.ntua.gr/~conster/PageData/li ... s.htmPella, end of 5th century BC.
Marble stele found in the cemetary of the area of the Agora of Pella. The person of the scupture is Xanthos. As it is written on the monument, in Greek characters, Xanthos is the son of Dimitrios and Amadiki: So the name Dimitrios was used in Macedonia in Pella before 400 AD written in stone.Turks came into the Balkans around 1200AD The hard evidence speaks for itself.Even your leaders know the truth.

[Polyxena]

Hi,I would really want to know the following:
If Alexander was Greek, than why he was called by the ancient Greeks:"PROXENOS" = a public friend of the Greeks and
"PHILHELLENE" = a friend of the Greeks?This is an obvious contradiction!!!
Regards,

[Kit]

Good point Poli,I don't really want to get into the Greek/Macedonian debate but Borza in his book, 'In the Shadow of Olympus', makes a similar point with regard to Alexander I 'The Philhellene'.I will sit on the fence, much like Borza, and say that the jury is still out one way or the other, due to a lack of evidence.regardsKit.r

[Dimirios Polirketes]

The king of Macedonia, Alexander I, was named Philhellene by the Theban poet Pindaros for the same reason Jason of Pherrai and Euagoras of Cyprus were called Philhellenes (Isocrates 107A, 199A). The title Philhellene in ancient times meant Philopatris (lover of the homeland) or simply put GÇ£a patriotGÇ¥ (Plato, Politics, 470E; Xenophon, Agesilaus, 7, 4), which is why Alexander the Great did not touch the traditional house of Pindaros when he ordered his soldiers to burn Thebes. BTW Thebes was distroyed for its history of backing the Persians.Incidently it was the Greek Allies particularly those states under Thebean rule that commited most of the aurocities against Thebes. There are numerous quotes that refer to Macedonians as Greeks (archeologicalevidence firmly shows macedonians as greeks)the most important being Hesoid in 750 BC since that was 400 yrs before the time of Alexander. This is just a minute sample
Herodotus gives us the following story, which is related to the star as a symbol of the royal Argaed dynasty: herodotus_VIII137(document); "
...Three brothers of the lineage of Temenos came as banished men from Argos to Illyria, Gavganis and Aeropos and Perdikkas, and worked for the king that was there. When the king learned that when the queen baked the bread of Perdikkas, it doubled its size, than of the other breads, he considered that as a miracle and ordered the 3 brothers to leave his kingdom. The brothers required their payment. Then the king told them to take the sun as a payment. Gavganis and Aeropos where taken by surprise and the youngest brother, Perdikkas, accepted the offer. He took out his sword, circled it 3 times and took the sun, which he placed in his underarm and left with his brothers."
Herodotus VIII,137 Historian, 484-426BC
"And she conceived and bore to Zeus, who delights in the thunderbolt, two sons, Magnes and Macedon, rejoicing in horses, who dwell round about Pieria and Olympus." (Hesiod, Catalogues of Women and Eoiae 3 [Loeb, H.G. Evelyn-White]) Herodotus: "For in the days of king Deucalion it (i.e. a Macedonian tribe) inhabited the land of Phthiotis, then in the time of Dorus, son of Hellen, the country called Histiaean, under Ossa and Olympus; driven by the Cadmeians from this Histiaean country it settled about Pindus in the parts called Macedonian; thence again it migrated to Dryopia, and at last came from Dryopia into Peloponnesus, where it took the name of Dorian." (Herod.

[Dimitrios Poliorketes]

Hi Chris, Please note that Borza does not speak for all historians.Nicholas Hammond,Ulrick,Wilken,Michael Wood,Malcom Erringtoin,Mary Renault and many others affirm the Greekness of Macedonia.The Macedonians themselves were Greek speaking peoples
(see: Papazoglu, Makedonski Gradovi, p 333 and Central Balkan Tribes, p 135; Casson, Macedonia, Thrace and Illyria, pp157-162; NGL Hammond, The Macedonian State, pp 12-15 and 193; Cavaignac, Histoire de lGÇÖ antiquit+¬, i, p 67; Hoffman, Die Makedonen, p. 259; Errington, A History of Macedonia, p 3; Yugoslavian Military Encyclopedia 1974 GÇ£Anti+¿ka MakedonijaGÇ¥; Hogarth, Philip and Alexander, p.5, n 4), Urlich Wilcken, Alexander the Great, II pp 23 and 24, Botsford, Hellenic History, p 237). Some of the scholars mentioned above initially were not sure about the Greekness of the Macedonians (i.e. NGL Hammod). Newly discovered artifacts and monuments that were excavated indicating the Macedonians were actually Greek made them admit their previous error. NGL Hammond explains the reason why scholars like Badian do not consider the Macedonians Greeks in his book, The Macedonian State (page 13, note 29). Hammond states that most recently E. Badian in Barr-Sharrar (pp 33-51) disregarded the evidence as explained in A History of Macedonia (NGL Hammond and G. T. Griffith, 1979 pp 39-54). In Barr-Sharrar, Badian holds the view that the Macedonians (whom he does not define) spoke a language other than Greek. Badian keeps ignoring evidence that is against his beliefs and convictions choosing only certain proof and ignoring other relevant proof. That is exactly the pattern others, like E. Borza, P. Green, etc. have chosen to follow. NOTE-Both Green and Borza admit to being REVISIONIST.Also Green does not state Macedonians were not Greek.In his Alexander biography -His position is that Macedonians had insititutions in parrell with both Mycenean Greeks -Homers time and Sparta and that Southern Greeks viewed there old HOMERIC institutions as backward and crude.His main point is that the crusade against Persia was motivated more by native macedonian intrests then pan hellanism.Green also contradicts himself.For example he states Alexander was very much influenced by Aristotles view that non Greeks were essentially inferior by nature then he states pan hellanism was a desquise .If Alexander was influenced by Aristotle as Green points out then he beleived in the superiority of Greeks over barbarians.Since Ari

[Dimetrios Poliorketes]

It appears that so called revsionist historians are a tool of political correctness http://members.tripod.com/~Kekrops/Hell ... tmlGreen's stance as a "passionate liberal humanist" and sharp-eyed revisionist, a fimm believer in the revisionist creed of necessary re-interpretation of history, Alexander imbued with a helief in monarchy and a passionate devotion to Prussian nationalism...For the aspirations of independent small Greek states (as for their German counterparts) he had little but impatient contempt. In his view it is Philip of Macedon who emerges as the true leader of Greece, the man destined to unify the country and set it upon its historical mission; while Alexander carried the process one step farther by spreading the hlessings of Greek culture throughout the known (and large tracts of the unknown) world. (Alexander 482)Eugene Borza states that "Droysen's conceptions were propounded so forcefully that they have conditioned virtually all subsequent scholarship on NOTE -That German historians here culprits here and that German nationalism motivated their views.Same is true for Martin Bernal who holds German historians as evil. But Green himself claims to be a so called humanist so one can easily say that his so called reinterpitation of history is motivated by his humanist views.Thus while he accuses the Germans of representing history to accomodate German nationalism his revisionism accomodates his view and borza's that Alexander was a drunken Tyrant and thus an enemy of humanism. Of course Green does not discuss the archeological evidence that of the 65000 artifacts found in Macedonia all of them are Greek in character.As the great British Nicholas Hammond states Green and Borza selectively ignore evidence and that the Greekness of Macedonia should be accepted as conclusive .

[THE LIGHT 7000]

Re: DEMIRIOS,Your name is written as follows:DEMIRIOS, and the root of word is DEMIR and that in Turkish means IRON, as it is for DEMIR HISAR= IRON HILL/MINING REGION, DEMIR KAPI=IRON DOOR...Here this name has nothing tro do with Demitri, Dimitri and simular- capish !So first you should learn amore about yourself and your heritiage and than to talk about other. You have good knowledge of history and you should know that most today Greeks form Aegean Makedonia are Pontos, Prosfigos etc., replaced for those Makedonians who were expeled from their homes after 1913 and after WW-II, i.e. so called Greek Civil War, wich is nothing else but ethnic cleansing of Makedonia- Aegean part, and resetlements of others, and speaking with today language it is crime!...The Light 7000